Bill and Gloria are a tremendous asset to the local community and talented artists in their own right. It’s wonderful to see Bill’s new music video which features the area. This will help spread the word about our community and generate interest in our area. Plus…it’s just a great video with fab music! Thanks Bill and Nikolas Duarte for producing something memorable for the Miami-Globe area.
We have posted the Open Letter of Response by Thea Wilshire, Chairperson of Globe’s Parks and Recreation Committee, on a separate post since it covers so much information. It shows the efforts being made to create a win-win for both parties whose interests and priorities are competing for the same ground.
Wilshire makes several good points in outlining the history and current status of the park and which reflect the City’s willingness to work on a solution which will satisfy the needs of both.
You can catch the full post under: 14 Facts: Dog Park vs Little League.
Thank you, Thea, for taking the time to respond to my post.
You covered a lot of ground and I appreciate it.
I believe with that with communication between all parties-
dog owners, sports fans, and our Globe-Miami neighbors, we
can create a spectacular site for the community.
While I did my best to keep my post unbiased, anyone who knows
me knows I support a change, and I believe the Pioneer Hills site,
with some polishing, just might be it. It’s an excellent opportunity to
create a truly special Dog Park!
Good job Thea! What great information.
You have put much time and effort in being sure we are all well informed of the history, and where were at currently with the dog park.
You are a voice I’m proud to have on my City Council
What a great job the people of Globe did putting on a grand cinco de mayo celebration. I an an outta towner and I can truely see the amount of effort put in. I got to meet the mayor in person and I know he has great plans for Globe. Keep up the good work.
Great reporting on Globe’s big Cinco de Mayo celebration! You addressed the issues surrounding this event accurately and in a balanced way.
I do hope the event paid for itself … and as a Downtown Globe business owner, I enthusiastically support the innovative efforts to make this event a big success. I shake my head head in dismay when I hear the naysayers whine & criticize. Kudos to the planners & doers — who dare to shake up the status quo by taking a chance on a special new event for our community.
And… Little Joe y la familia was fabulous! The night breeze was a bit chilly, but the performance was hot!
Thea, thank you for the comprehensive account as to how this issue/debate has evolved. My knowledge of this matter, until very recently, has come to me second-hand.
In spite of the open, transparent nature of the dialogue you describe with all parties concerned, there seems to have been considerable confusion surrounding the decision-making process. Perhaps some of this confusion results from people hearing different accounts…..and, the inability for all interested parties to gather together at the same time to hear the same thing and express concerns etc. So, as new ideas are floated & discussed, and the process evolves….not everyone is hearing the same thing. Anxiety levels rise.
One thing I was confused about pertains to the ultimate authority in this matter. Thea, you state above that the City Manager made the original decision to establish the Dog Park, therefore can revisit & change that decision without Council approval. Understood. However, at the Parks & Rec meeting a couple weeks ago, I left believing that Council action would be required. I do not mean to be trivial…..however, that knowledge is important to individuals attempting to understand how they can influence the decision-making process.
Regarding the ‘utilization review’ —- I for one, was most interested in learning why it is believed that baseball activities will automatically return to the field in question. Observation by myself and others during the 2-3 years PRIOR to Dog Park designation reveals that the field was seldom utilized by baseball kids. VERY SELDOM. Yet, we know that the current site is utilized by dog owners DAILY, all year long. A response to this observation/question should be explained in such a Review.
There is no doubt in my mind as to the good-faith attempt by you and others to facilitate a win-win result for the entire community (including our dogs!) — and it seems as though all stake-holders are beginning to get ‘on the same page’ in terms of timely, accurate information.
Thanks for your dedication to this important community issue.
We went twice on Saturday: in the afternoon to see Azetca del Sol Mariachi (extremely talented) and the dancing horses (a first for me: WOW!)- and then for the Little Joe show at night. WHAT A FABULOUS CONCERT! Even though it was a relatively small crowd, he sand, he rocked, and he made some wise comments about the ridiculous new AZ immigration bill. His parting words were, “Do not be oppressed!”
Everything- the bands, the grounds, the vendors and the facilities- were professionally presented, and I wish more folks were there to experience and appreciate it.
One suggestion, though, for next year: improved signage. I live here, and it took me awhile to find it!
As an owner of 3 dogs who consume an awful lot of my time and affection I am very interested in the Dog Park debate. We take our dogs to the park twice a day when at all possible. This morning was a beautiful Globe morning and in the 30 minutes we were there 10 furry friends shared the park. Last evening 5 dogs were chasing each other around with us.
Having said that, I am always aware when we are there that it is, or was, a baseball field. If it is truly needed for a ball park for children then I do not have a problem turning it back to that use. However, we do need a dog park. We need it for our own community and for the RV travelers and visitors to our area. We now have 3 RV parks and plans for 2 more. These people travel with their pets and their money. They will stay longer in an area where they feel that they and their pets are welcome. The dog park committee, my husband being one of the members, has adamatly rejected the Pioneer Hills site. They are representing the feelings of most dog owners. I do not feel so strongly. Money is tight for many of us right now and a site already owned by the city and already fenced is a plus. If the city is willing to help and work with us I feel we should listen. There is much more to be discussed and I hope everyone involved will keep a cool head and an open mind and get this resolved. One question I have is whether or not the Pioneer Hills neighborhood wants us there. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
Jim Moss’ article is right on target: vote racial profilers out of office now!
Problem is: we don’t have a party to vote into power that will heed the voice of the people who voted them in: the Obama administration promised comprehensive immigration reform in its first year. On May Day 2010, after more than a year of Obama’s inaction on his promise, hundreds of thousands of us marched in more than 100 cities in the U.S. against ICE raids in Latin@ workplaces and communities, against deporations, for immediate regularization of immigration status for all, against ‘guest’ worker programs, against I-Verify checks and for comprehensive immigration reform and all we’ve gotten is more of the same.
What the working people of the United States need is an independent labor party beholden to no one but the people who vote for it, not to corporations, oil companies (e.g. BP) and banks that are ‘too big to fail’. Only an independent labor party will, ultimately, wrest power from the twin parties of tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum and put it in the hands of miners, smelter workers, teachers and other union workers who stand in defense of their rights and of their immigrant sisters and brothers regardless of their immigration status.
Here’s my speech. Fossil fuels are fuels formed by natural resources such as anaerobic decomposition of buried dead organisms. The age of the organisms and their resulting fossil fuels is typically millions of years, and sometimes exceeds 650 million years.
So here is my NEW RULE concerning fossil fuels: If you don’t believe in evolution and you don’t believe the world is millions of years old, you are not allowed to vote, drill, lobby or profit from the capitalistic, greed-filled free-for-all of fossil fuel getting and selling.
If you do profit from something you deem ‘not in line with our biblical beliefs’, you are either investing in a fairy tale, or you are making money off of ‘satan’s big lie’….both which are beneath you. Fossil fuels are only usable for those who believe in Evolution…everyone else has to use apples, burning bushes and fig leaves. In that order.
Check out the recent piece in the Courier-Journal in July 2010 (https://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100705/NEWS01/7050312/Behind-the-Bars-Experts-question-benefits-of-private-prisons) which outlined a few discrepancies stating among other things “…since the mid-1990s, according to researchers at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, ” several studies, have questioned the private prison industry’s claims, especially with respect to cost savings and security.” The payscale for Private Prison Guards is closer to $8 – $10/hour , NOT the $33,000 being touted by the Emerald Companies – and no where near the rumored $47,000 which is a figure floating around the local jail house.
Thanks for unmasking the paid-for ‘experts’ of the private prison industry.
It really is shameful when defenders of a point-of-view KNOWINGLY recite the phony research statistics and talking points of industry insiders.
And, it is disappointing when elected officials depend upon this phony research to justify votes on important resolutions. Sometimes this happens unwittingly…….it is a matter of failure to conduct due-diligence. That can be forgiven if & when the elected official acknowledges his/her error, and fixes the mistaken vote.
Unfortunately, some officials choose to hold on to misguided, inaccurate information…….why? Perhaps stubborn pride, arrogance, ignorance, or political expediency….
I was startled to hear that the city of Globe is considering investing in a private prison enterprise for the Globe Miami area.
Although the promise of jobs is certainly attractive- as is the expansion of the tax base,a couple of points in the proposal raise alarm bells for me.
How likely is it In the current economy that a prison will be able to provide both of these benefits? In a time of contracting state budgets, is it realistic to believe that a prison (which taxpayers have indeed invested in by floating a bond) will fill with prisoners- either federal or state? How long will the city be servicing the bonds it is expected to float? And what happens if for any reason the prison fails to happen? Will the city be left with bond debt and no additional revenues to service it?
It’s basically located across from the Chamber of Commerce on Hwy 60 between Globe and Miami. The entrance will be where DeMarco’s Restaurant is and you just follow the road up the hill.
The AZ Department of Corrections called me this morning to set the record straight on my statement that the RFP had been canceled “because the State did not need the beds.” NO, says DOC. They simply pulled this RFP to allow them to re-write the criteria and will RE-ISSUE THE RFP to the same parties “in about a month.” The DOC representative indicated the new criteria was a result of what happened in Kingman, but he was not at liberty to say what the new criteria would include.
This clarifies two KEY issues:
This issue of a private prison locating in GLOBE is Far from Over. It is more important than ever to have the Globe City Council recind their invitation to site a BIG for-profit prison in this town.
And the fact that the DOC called on my article in GMTnewsnviews, indicates they are focused on this area.
Frankly, we don’t want ANY prisons in Globe- private or otherwise. The Mayor/Council Members talk of jobs as being important, but a man I met today- who worked at a prison- told me, “You get what you pay for, and those guards are at the bottom of the pay scale. Think about it.” A minimum-wage guard with a GED who is responsible for approximately 34 prisoners- the average at for-profit prisons… where violence between inmate on inmate and inmate on guard are out of control…… And private prisons have a 50% turnover rate- look it up, folks. The info is out there.
And while I’m sure there are folks who are seeking employment in Globe, if ‘senior’ guards, company men and others are transferred here, how many real jobs would there be? AND WHO WOULD WANT THEM FOR LONG?
Perhaps we should task the EDC to pursue small manufacturers; small to mid-size firms who produce a quality product with 30-75 workers- because let’s face it: most of the ‘big’ jobs- cars, furniture & clothing go overseas. The days of American firms opening huge factories Stateside are over.
Therese Hicks wants to (perhaps) open a small company here? HELP HER OUT. And find more like her.
Globe has plenty to offer. Private prisons are bad business any way you look at it, and the City Council wants to
shrug their shoulders helplessly, saying it’s probably inevitable? Let’s see some spine.
My father and uncle both worked at the mine, Ambrose and George. Both were from Briber which I believe to have been Yugoslavia at the time of their birth. George suffered from what was diagnosed as miners TB and died at Globe.
A few years ago I came to the mine with my oldest brother, oldest sister, a nephew and his wife and one of my daughters along with one of my grandsons. We were given a private tour for which all of us still surviving will always be thankful. I have been back one more time since. On that trip we donated some type of safety award given our dad to the museum across the street from the mine.
My dad was taught to be a tombstone cutter in his home country and cut one stone in the USA this was for his brother George. We found this stone at the cemetary at Globe. We were overwhelmed.
Since that trip my last two brothers and oldest sister have both died. As a family I believe we are coming back to Globe at least one more time and find the article about the park very exciting.
This trip we will probably stay at the Noftsger Hill Inn and am looking forward to making contact with any or all of you to thank you for your efforts.
I believe one of my relative’s son worked there. He listed it as his place of work on his draft card. His name was Joel Allen Gibson. He was a hoisting engineer. Wish I could find out more about him.
If there were errors of omissions, they were mine. John Michael submitted 13 pages of story, which I had to edit down to 1000 words for this particular issue. Since then I have heard from others about their memories and hope to add their comments here. Or in a future story. Do tell… who are the Helen and Les High you mention? It would be great to add to the story on this blog, since it keeps all the stories together. If you’d like to tell me the story in person, call me. 928-701-3320. I also heard from a waitress, who is now in her 90’s, who worked at the Copper Hills for 13 years. I plan on visiting with her next week. Sooo many good stories came out of the Copper Hills…they could fill a book. Please share.
I’ve finally come to terms with my imperfect life and now look upon it quite fondly. It took just a mere half century!
How special that Ralph was thinking of you when he laid that row of tile. And thank you too for sharing the story with all of us and hence keeping Ralph’s memory alive.
Wonderful~ and heartfelt… that is why I love the quilts with the stuffing coming out of them. ~It just means that they were loved even more!! ~I miss Ralph too, thank-you for the sil story… lovin’ u!!
Jim Moss said it best when he announced, “We have done our homework”. He has provided
an amazing amount of documentation on why private prisons aren’t right in general and are
specifically a poor choice for small communities. He has gathered this information through
a tremendous amount of research and fact finding. This is called due diligence, and it has to
be done- and has been done by him- before one can truly see the big picture and the consequences
which will ensue. Here’s hoping our elected officials and those at the EDC are listening.
At least you should look at thecca360.com web site and get a second point of view. Journalism is to be balanced and at least getting the other side of the story should be in the cards.
Some readers may have missed the link that bushbrowser was trying to provide so here it is: https://www.thecca360.com. Happy to provide it, although I would argue that this does little to provide an un-biased look at the company or the industry. It’s a Big Press release. Give us some outside information – not funded by CCA.
Here is the response by the Texas watchdog group which covers CCA and the industry about this site: https://www.texasprisonbidness.org/scandals/feeling-heat-corrections-corp-launches-cca-360-respond-critics
Another NPR investigation. Good. Toward the end he talks about the issue of Private vs Public prison guards, and says his experience is that there is more contraband and drugs in private prison because the wage scale is sooooo low that the guards are tempted to supplement. Does this sound like something you want in your neighborhood?
Dang, Darin. I had to look up “excoriate” in the dictionary.
Fry’s has a nice array of Hanes socks, undies and undershirts. I understand Hanes socks are made in North Carolina.
Well written. I live in Mesa but find myself drawn to drive up to Globe for no reason at all…just to be there, at least 4 or 5 times a year. I buy local, and think it’s great that others are sharing their like-minded opinions, keep it up!!!
What a refreshing meeting at the State Capitol yesterday!
It was refreshing to speak with elected officials who understand the democratic principles of representation and respecting the voices of their constituents.
This private prison issue here in Globe should have been resolved shortly after Sept. 13, when citizens opposed presented a compelling case to Globe City Council. At that time, 1000+ citizens had signed a petition asking Council to pass a Resolution opposing any prison project for our community. Instead, the half dozen or so local officials advocating a private prison dug in stubbornly, ignored citizen opposition, and attempted to confuse the public. This sort of response from local ‘leaders’ is quite inexplicable.
I have always believed that substantial ‘people power’ could stop any prison project. What was refreshing about yesterday’s meeting at the State Capitol, was hearing the emphatic statements from State officials that validated my belief. The AZDOC, nor State Senators, have any interest whatsoever in siting a prison in a community where there is substantial opposition.
If there was ever a community that has demonstrated substantial opposition — it is Globe.
Globe does not need these kind of jobs. The average salary of $43,500 is OK but we do not need people working. Will the state take our other prison away? Send it to Show Low or Superior they need the work we don’t. Good job Terry.
Think about this for a second. The local jail pays guards $29,000. The State Prison starts them out at $31,000. The Private Prisons who SAY they save the State money by spending less money to incarcerate prisoners necessarily pay LESS than State-run prisons. I suspect you are getting your $43,000 from the private prison operators themselves? That would be called a sales-pitch. The facts simply do not bear out. Guards at these facilities make LESS MONEY and have little or no training.
And while we’re on the subject…companies from Freeport McMoran to Walmart have a terrible time filling job positions! Not because of a lack of applicants. But because no one can pass a drug test. And we think we’re going to staff a prison with 1000 inmates and $13/hour guards which will come from a job pool which has baffled Walmart? And this is a good plan?
Forty-three grand a year is a fantasy – it looks good on paper, but makes no
sense when one looks at the bottom line of the Private Prison Promoters,
which is filling THEIR pockets and their SHAREHOLDERS pockets with filthy lucre.
Glad to hear that Allen, Pearce & Ryan are hearing the will of the people,
because it seems the Globe City Council still isn’t listening… even though
we’ve been speaking LOUD & CLEAR since April.
Every time I hear that story about the family with the broken down car, it gets embellished. As far as Danko’s generosity is concerned, it is more overbrown than factual. I suspect that the family, of Mexican decent, was scaring away customers from the Copper Hills as, unfortunately, a lot of prejudice still exists in some of these small towns.
Danko had to get rid of them somehow. What better way than to fix their car so that they could leave. He put them up overnight because it takes time to do transmissions. If you want to call that generous, fine. He was generous when he benefitted also.
Like the time he poured money into his sister’s deteriorating house. He supposedly did this to “help” her. Of course, an important detail in this altruistic act was the fact that his name was also on the deed. How it got there is open to speculation as the secret died with him. If someone tells me that he would have spent the money on repairs and improvements without his name on the deed, then I would have some prime Florida real estate to sell them.
I received a telephone call one evening from a local hospital. It seems that our generous benefactor was slow in paying his hospital bill. Apparently they thought maybe some of his wealth rubbed off on me. Well, I redirected them back to the rightful debtor. Apparently there is no glory is giving large amounts of money to people you owe.
In fact, the more insistent they were, the more resistant he became. He even went to the extreme of skillfully avoiding arrest in the State of California in order to get out of paying some traffic tickets.
Obviously, Danko was a complex man. He was, by no means, a tightwad. I ate and slept at his house, as well as at his hotel and restaurant. He once had a chance encounter with my dad (his brother) in downtown Phoenix. During their conversation, he gave my father a $100 bill as a gift. Later, my dad gave it to me.
So I tell it like it was, both the good and the bad. To his surviving family I say this: You know where you can find me. Also, I’ll tell you this: When I was alone one night shortly after his death, I wept (God is my witness).
Ever since we posted this story in the paper and on-line I’ve been inundated with people who have their own “Danko” story to tell. They have pulled me over in the street, and phoned me to share their stories. Most – come with a smile for the remembrance. Maybe a wink and a nod when talking about Danko’s shenanigans. Unfortunately, most of them aren’t computer savvy so their comments don’t make it to this format. I appreciate your comment for it’s contribution to the full story of the man. Undoubtedly, he was not a saint. But he left a big hole in the community when he was gone. Something they are still talkin’ about.
Man oh moan! I inherited the family ornaments. There were some beauties! My favorites were / are the horns. Tradition has it that each time that they are unwrapped and before they are hung, they MUST of course, be “tooted” ! There was an airplane, (totally fantastic) and several others. A couple of years ago however, I made the mistake of putting them on the tree when we had a kitten in the house. There was a chase and a crash and, well, a LOT of tears and cursing. The tree leg broke and it fell down, taking several ornaments with it. Some were saved, but many were lost.
Really lovely article, Darin. I was home in Michigan last Christmas and got to pull out that box with the yellowed tissue paper and exclaim over those the 1950 glass delights!
Out of the 350 postcards sent out how many responses have actually come back? I have talked with approximately 40 people who are local citizens and they don’t have any objections to the private prison coming in.
Perhaps we need a group that is for the prison coming into town so we can have some fair and unbiased reporting and facts gathered. Anyone want to join that committee?
Actually, over 350 post cards from registered voters have already been returned. Just ask Councilwoman Uhl. She had the opportunity to read over a hundred comments, from the post cards returned from voters in her District. And, thus far, we have mailed post cards to less than 1/3 of Globe’s registered voters! By the time we are finished, we estimate that we will have over 1,200 signed post cards from registered voters in Globe — exactly the same number that voted for Mayor in the last election. We have just begun!
Additionally, we have gathered over 2,000 petition signatures. And, here’s a startling number — guess how many post cards were mailed back that had a PRO-Prison comment? ONE, yes — precisely ONE. We will be happy to share with you, just as we did with Mr. Charles Ryan, Director of AZDOC and Senators Allen & Pearce.
No doubt you have spoken with 40 people who do not oppose a private prison coming to Globe. So have we. Approx. 20 of those are local officials, EDC Members etc!
However, the important point is that a substantial portion of our community (such as @ 25 merchants on Broad St.) are opposed to a prison project. It is past time for elected leaders to LISTEN to their constituents, and it is time for the EDC to focus on bringing true private enterprise projects that will contribute to the quality of life of our community.
Oh, and finally — please prepare a list of specific concerns, challenges etc. to any of the information we have published or distributed over the past 5 months. We stand by our facts. But, we are also willing to make any correction to the record if it is warranted. Please, show us your specific concerns. Thank you.
I appreciate the comment back. I have talked to over 40 people in town who were not related in any way to the EDC or to local officials, although I’m sure you have talked to many more than I have. I did take the time to read your notebook that you passed out previously and frankly that is what encouraged me to talk to the folks that I have. Albeit, I greatly appreciate the hard work you guys have put into this, I do disagree with the information you passed out to the general public by way of that notebook. I personally felt that it was a scare tactic designed to get the exact response you were hoping for. I also did share that notebook with at least 4 other business owners in town, who did have the same reaction I did. The original notebook did not give any kind of unbiased information to our community. Most of the articles weren’t even about prison systems in Arizona. I have heard a number of rumors in town as well. I had another business owner in town say that they saw children signing your petition at the fairgrounds. I told this person that I found that extremely difficult to believe, since I do believe that you and others like you are truly trying to do what you think is best for our community. I strongly believe that this whole thing needs additional research and have taken it upon myself to do just that. I will be happy to pass along my findings as information comes in. Again thank you for your dedication to your project and I do admire you for the work that has been done, I just don’t believe that all of the correct information is coming out. I will look forward to speaking with you and blogging (first time blogger) with regard to the information I am currently waiting on, in addition to the conversations I plan to have with local law enforcement, as well as the areas in our State that currently have private run prisons.
Jim…Linda was kind enough to pass on the invitation for reviewing the cards, etc. I would definately like to take you up on that; however, I would first like to get the information back that I have already requested from various sources so that we can have a conversation with the info that I am attempting to obtain. Thanks again, and I look forward to an informative evening.
It is startling to think that a child is lurking somewhere in Globe who may have (according to rumors) signed a ‘Stop the Private Prison’ petition at the County Fair! We must find that blessed child and bestow honors!
During the past 5 months, a handful of pro-private prison folks have criticized the now famous ‘Notebook’. Yet, not one critic has stepped forward to provide objective research or reporting that rebuts any of the information we assembled. Good luck.
The purpose of the Notebook was to assemble factual information and informed opinion that exposed the for-profit prison industry for what it truly is. The truth about this industry, that has emerged over the past several decades, reaches far beyond Arizona.
Additional research is always a good thing — just google: “for profit prisons” — follow hundreds of links from an endless variety of sources — spend a hundred hours or so (as I have done) engaged in research —- NOT industry propaganda or private prison talking points.
Frankly — I am not too interested in ‘re-litigating’ the entire debate that has been happening here in Globe during the past 5-6 months. No offense, but you are a bit late to this party.
By the way, I understated the total number of ‘post card petitions’ from registered voters —- the number is actually 500, and growing daily. We invite you to stop by for just a brief visit to see these post cards and read the hundreds of citizen comments — powerful stuff! No reason to wait! Come on over, and bring a City Council Member!
Finally, again I emphasize the important point — a substantial portion of our community is opposed to a prison project — for all kinds of reasons. Given this reality, it is time to redirect energy toward attracting positive, true free-enterprise projects.
Isn’t soliciting signatures from minors unlawful? At the very least, most states mandate that only registered voters can sign petitions that effect government issues. Also, would it be possible to have a list of citations for the information in your notebook? Since you stand by your facts I’d be curious to know of their origins.
AZGIRL,
Your information is quite incomplete. You have jumped to conclusions, and are enabling the spreading of rumors.
The writer above, DCox, acknowledges ‘hearing rumors’ —- then proceeds to spread them! Rumors they are!
The ‘petitions’ at the County Fair are NOT ‘legal’ documents, in the same since as a ‘referendum’ or ‘recall’ petition that must carefully conform to a legal statute. The ‘petitions’ local residents signed at the County Fair and other places around town, were INFORMAL documents that expressed a specific sentiment about a proposed prison project. The PURPOSE of the petitions is to demonstrate the extent of citizen opposition. To my knowledge, no ‘child’ signed a petition at the County Fair! However, we did distribute hundreds of ‘NO PRISON’ stickers to anyone, young or old, who wanted one! To spread such rumors is, well……. silly to say the least.
Regarding information in the Notebook…… solid as a rock! Call me and I will present you with a ‘Notebook’ — and will be happy to discuss every single source (most of which are contained in the Notebook) —- and would love to show you all of the original petition signatures —- and most importantly, the ORIGINAL ‘post cards’ from registered voters that contain hundreds of powerful comments! Just call Jim at the Pickle Barrel Trading Post 425-9282.
Have you googled: “for profit prisons” yet? Have you engaged in just a few hours of independent research? If you do, I am confident your questions about our ‘Notebook’ will be answered —- and then, perhaps you will want to join the @ 2,500 (and growing) local residents who have signed a petition opposing a private prison for Globe-MIami.
Jim:
What rumors? I asked a couple of questions to the person who seems to have the most information on the situation. I have seen the notebook and am not curious about that level of information. I’d like to see the links and citations to the original material you’ve used so I can make an informed decision as a voter. I’m concerned that asking to see your work means I’ve jumped to conclusions and warrants your defensive posture.
In these posts, I do not see anything but people asking questions – and who are met tersely that the time for such discussion has passed or that they are spreading untrue rumors. How does asking questions do anything other than clarify the situation? To echo the concerns being voiced, the mere possibility that children might have been included is something that should be considered socially coercive and warrants concern in my mind, not celebration. As a resident, I don’t believe this conversation is over. That does not mean that I support the proposal, but that with the exception of an unfortunately short article regarding the very real, significant and practical issues facing the area in regards to local water availability and sewage infrastructure, it remains that many of the arguments that I have seen made are more in the nature of “A Raisin in the Sun” protests or presumptions of the worst possible scenario. This, instead of maintaining a balanced and reasonable presentation of the entire situation. It seems that instead of building community awareness and cohesion, there appears to be more caustic comments coming from the no-prison camp aimed towards our local government, leaders and individuals within our community than I have seen from them and others among us who acknowledge the possibility of a prison happening – even if it is not the desired outcome. As I stated earlier, I am not in support of the prison project, but as long as there are still questions and possibilities remain there is still discussion to be had on the matter.
Having seen the original notebook, I looked for citations for the origins of the mass of photocopied pages that filled the binder and was unable to find many if any at all. I was also unable to find any indication of the copyright holder’s permission to reprint such documents. Further, the poster asked for their answer here, and I don’t think it is out of line to ask for you to do so, especially in this light. And while the Internet is a wonderful potential resource, it is also full of editorial and should not be treated as fact. So I will second the earlier request, and ask that you list your sources here for the material included so that myself and others, as individuals, can read the material in its’ original and complete context instead of in a condensed and partially annotated format. And I would prefer to do that in the comfort of my own home where I can compare studies at my leisure, not a commercial setting as you suggest by visiting this store, having one side present their arguments to me in the absence of any counterpoint. Is that unreasonable to request? And before you ask yet again, I’ve done a fair amount of reading (including perusing your notebook), reviewed the potential issues that can easily occur in private prisons (as well as state-run facilities), and I don’t think that a prison is the right type of ‘industry’ for this area to pursue. But that has nothing to do with the people associated, the families and employees that would come with the project as has been suggested elsewhere, but the damage that such a project would do to the ability of Globe to sustain itself well into the future.
If asking questions is equal to spreading rumors, then we are already in worse shape than I feared. There is room for questions and analysis while the subject continues to be an active one, and those voices should be encouraged, not stifled; it is disheartening to see a relatively negative response to someone who asked valid questions. First, regarding the nature of your “petitions” and the lack of disclosure or process. It is in quotations, since these documents would be invalid in the legal sense, given there is no oversight regarding them. One could as easily get as many signatures at a college with a title sheet for lower tuition; there is no way to know how many of your individuals were relevant to the discussion as registered voters in Globe. Second, about the substance and origins of the materials being presented on your behalf as those have not been provided readily in print or online. It further concerns me that there is no disclosure of this fact in the statements made earlier regarding the situation at hand.
One last point I would make is in regards those members of the Arizona State Senate featured in the original article. Senator Sylvia Allen seemingly believes that the Earth is 6000 years old (https://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/06/arizona-is-6000-years-old/), while there is historical evidence of no less than three thriving civilizations on three different continents developing, horses were being domesticated, and the plough was already in use at that time. Senator Russell Pearce was discharged from his position as the Director of the Arizona MVD due to tampering with state records and has been associated with various white supremacists and hate groups over just the past five years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Pearce). While I would not base any judgment upon these select pieces of information only, I think it is equally important that any readers be aware of any questionable backgrounds of those whose help is being sought at the state level.
Please respond with your arguments, as I am interested in seeing how those selections are presented in their original context, and the knowledge base from which the authors of those articles drew upon.
Dear Observer: As editor and Globe resident, I am responsible for the information listed on this site. Although I am wholly opposed to the Private Prison proposed for Globe having done my own research, we have posted both sides of the issue in many cases, including the 4-week debate showcasing both sides, with Bob Zache representing the EDC’s response in supporting a prison. As information surfaces regarding the track record of Arizona’s Private Prison system, we have listed them here. It seems they would be relevant to residents considering whether to allow one to build here.
There has been alot of information disseminated in 6 months. What is it, exactly that you feel needs clarification? Happy to provide resources or citations, although I think most posts have referenced these.
Your point about sources is important. A majority of information cited by those who support this project have come from the Prison company themselves. That hardly seems like independent research. Much of our information comes from watch dog groups and independent reporting from Channel 5 KPHO, or the Rachael Maddow show, or news reports from other states who have reported issues with these kinds of facilities.
Regarding the “children” issue, I’ve heard this comment twice now, and all I can think is that it stems from a photo I posted about the Citizen’s Opposed booth at the Gila County Fair. Considering hundreds of local residents stopped by the booth, chatted, signed their name to the petition and grabbed stickers…it’s not so surprising that stickers showed up on young and old, and everyone in between!
No matter what you or I think about Russell Pearce and Sylvia Allen, they are our State Leaders, and as such, influential in either siting a Prison in Globe – or directing it elsewhere. Pearce is a proponent of private prisons and if you believe the NPR report, he helped to draft Arizona’s legislation for SB70. Fact is, he will be influential on this issue of Private Prisons in the State. And part of the democratic process is you work through channels. Going to the legislators and having our opposition heard at that level was good ole American Democracy at work.
I’ve been waiting on responding here, as I have been waiting for a response from Mr. Moss and trying to provide him with a reasonable amount of time in which to do so. Indeed, Ms. Gross, as publisher and editor you are responsible for the information published on your site; here I have only asked Mr. Moss to provide his sources for the publication he supplied, as well as the relevant permission to reproduce those works. That is all, as I was unable to obtain a list of citations for that information when I reviewed the “Notebook” myself. As I’ve said, I do not support the prison project in any way so I am not sure where your comments regarding information supporting the project were aimed. For information regarding that argument, I would contact the relevant companies and those individuals who are supportive of such a project, just as in these efforts to understand aspects of the no-prison argument I am reaching out for information from those who are its’ leading proponents’. I would be hesitant to say that your sources are not equally vested in their own position. I still have questions regarding the purpose of the petition, as without safeguards in place there is no way to ascertain that any of those signatures were from individuals with legitimate interests or more representative of the political nature of those who were present when the opportunity to sign presented itself. It is one thing to claim that you have the signatures of 2,500 registered voters in Globe or Gila County and another entirely to say that you’ve collected 2,500 signatures in opposition to the prison project, which is what would be more accurate based on what I have seen here and heard in regards to the rather open manner that signatures were accepted. If there is evidence to the contrary, then I welcome the opportunity to review it – but I don’t believe that I should be coerced in order to have access to that information, or the resources used in producing the argument made against a for-profit prison. One last observation: while Mr. Lowery and Mr. Moss appear in large font on the right side your website, Mr. Zache’s name is absent; so is any reference to the EDC or SGCEDC, leaving the combined absence of reference material contained herein remarkably conspicuous. When I searched for him, I found his articles taken out of context and addressed in a selective manner; I do not consider this to be posting both sides of the issue in a fair manner, but positing an editorial response to his articles that were written in another paper. If Mr. Zache had been an active participant in the discussion, it would be a different story, but at no time does his name appear other than in small citations within the article itself. As a result, it does not seem that a balanced discussion has taken place but that a platform established to share a specific opinion on the situation. Even in agreement with not having the prison here in principle, I still have issue in that the manner in which the conversation has happened seems more like a loaded gun instead of handled in an even fashion, and as a result those who might have had an objection or observation are instead discouraged from even making the attempt for fear of reprisal.
Regarding Pearce and Allen, it may be a matter that between us, I do not agree that the ends justify the means, especially in this case. More to point, to hitch one’s wagon to the same horses that enacted some of the most questionable legislation in Arizona’s history (and that’s saying something) in SB70 is not something I’m comfortable with. That is another discussion, though, as we get into the roles of the state versus the role of the federal government. The article you cited is a prime example of political malfeasance, regardless of whether it has been considered acceptable procedure or behavior in the past. If the argument is sound, as the water and sewage argument appeared to have been with concrete figures, projections based on a variety of different usage models, and an unbiased viewpoint, then I have no problem with it. While I’ve seen some information regarding the effects of property values and crime rates (in aggregate) and would welcome more in depth and complete information, I have not been impressed by comments made by no-prison proponents that suggest that people associated with for-profit prisons are inherently inferior instead of sticking to the relevant data. Something that has gone unsaid here is that this issue is being given a NIMBY approach; rather than address the laws and individuals responsible for creating the need for another prison, the problem is simply being pushed from Globe to another community. That doesn’t sound like responsible behavior to me, and it concerns me that it is acceptable with some people to pass this off to another location.
To simply things, why not provide a bibliography as well as a list of other sources utilized? That way, a private individual such as myself is able to make an well-reasoned decision for ourselves. While we are not in disagreement on the issue, I am concerned in how it was handled and where some of the information came from as it appeared more intent on filling the reader with fear than with information.
Step from behind the curtain into the sunlight and I will be happy to respond in great detail.
No identity = No accountability. I for one, am not interested in that sort of dialogue.
Your comments (‘An Observer’) are ‘way off base’ from start to finish.
In the meantime, just google: “for profit prisons” or “prison industrial complex” and do your independent research.
Each & every local official & citizen is welcome to evaluate/examine ALL Petition signatures and Post Cards — as Mayor Shipley (to his credit) did last week. We have nothing to hide. Just call 425-9282 to set an appointment.
This is a public forum, Mr. Moss – and as such, whether it is my own name or a pseudonym is not relevant, since it is the content of the discussion that is significant and not the individuals who are making them that are important. From what I’ve read thus far, you do not appear interested in any sort of dialogue as your comments have consistently dismissed the opinions of others without substantiation while also refusing to answer the questions being put to you. What were your sources, and was authorization given by the authors? Given your background in education, I am surprised that you do not recognize the importance of and necessity for a bibliography and getting permission to reproduce material written by others before distributing it. If my comments are off-base then why have you said nothing in response other than to keep repeating to search Google? As I’ve said previously, I have done my own research but I’m always interested in getting as complete a picture as possible before making up my mind on a subject. Is there an issue in asking you to provide your sources? And given that it appears that there has not been oversight in regards to this ‘petition’ that has been circulated, is it appropriately disclaimed on the document itself to make that clear to both those reading it and to those signing it, whether they be private citizens or public officials? While I appreciate the effort made in asking me to come to your place of business, I don’t have any interest in doing so. At the risk of repeating myself, I am asking you to simply substantiate yourself in public by requesting your sources so that I can independently research them myself. If I am off-base, then I invite you to publicly answer and explain why. If you have nothing to hide, why have you continued to refuse and evade such simple and direct requests?
To this point, the best argument made against placing a for-profit prison here would be the same reason to argue not to put another State facility or other commercial undertaking of the same scope: doing so would put such an undue demand on the local infrastructure (water and sewage) that it would ultimately destroy Globe’s ability to continue to grow and evolve over time. If the numbers provided were accurate, and to this point they have been consistent with what I’ve found elsewhere, then there is no reason for the discussion to continue as to keep on that path would ultimately be self-destructive.
Oh please, step into the sunlight! Identify yourself (An Observer) — then, I will be most delighted to address ALL of your ‘observations’. As long as your identity is anonymous, your words really can not be taken seriously. You obviously have something to hide. No transparency = No credibility.
Until then….. google: “Israeli Supreme Court bans for-profit prisons” — to learn what the Supreme Court of Israel, a capitalistic democracy, thinks about for-profit prisons. And, check with the EDC to see the latest social science research (which we provided) out of Washington State University —– “The Impact of Prisons on Employment Growth In Rural U.S. Counties” —- the BIBLIOGRAPHY is ten (10) pages! ! —- All documented and sourced — just like ALL of the other information we have disseminated!
To ‘An Observer’… are you plant, vegetable or mineral?
It’s difficult to take anyone seriously when they can’t even put their name to what they say and how they feel…
it’s a simple part of engaging in an open and honest dialog. I put my name (and my picture) on everything I stand for…
maybe there’s some risk involved, but how else will I stand up and be heard and understood?
Wow, all I did was ask for some citations so I could do some further reading. I had no idea I was asking for so much and that it would cause such rancor and push back. I will say this, while I still haven’t gotten the citations I requested regarding the information being handed out so I can make an informed voting decision, I have certainly gotten a clear picture of how Citizens Opposed truly regards the citizenry and their concerns. As I don’t think Jim is ever going to tell us where he got the information he’s used to create this grassroots movement, (other than a vague, “the internet” answer), I won’t be returning to this thread.
One last thing, as to demanding for people to give their names online, this is an identity theft security risk. Continually badgering people to give away identifying information online is called Phishing. And it’s illegal.
Your argumentative points simply have no basis in fact — whatsoever.
All information we have disseminated has been sourced, referenced, most of which contains bibliographical citations — just like the 2010 social science research referenced above in my last posting. Your accusations are ludicrous.
Regarding anonymity — if both parties to a conversation are anonymous — fine. BUT, for one party to remain behind a veil and hurl false accusations at the other party who is standing out in the open — well, is that really a level playing field? Sure, it is my choice to be transparent — identity known — AND, it is my choice to refuse to interact online with those who act like the Wizard of OZ (as in behind the curtain).
Adios. I’m going “Phishing” — you know, I’m getting ready to identify myself by clicking the ‘SUBMIT’ button.
In reply to Mr. Moss’ and Mr. Lowery’s comments above – Thanks, but no thanks. My personal privacy is important to me, and something that I will continue to protect. That you are interested in being the figurehead(s) behind a movement you believe in is perhaps to your own credit, but it is not of interest to me and certainly doesn’t make it incumbent upon me to do the same. No one made you register under your own name, and nothing requires me to supply that information either. If someone chose, they could easily take one of your images, your name, and post under your guise saying anything they please, anywhere they like – being in that position is not something that interests me. What should matter to you is that I am a long-time Globe resident and a registered voter… not whether I am a potential customer or my position in the community. I will thank you, Mr. Moss, for the single source which you have chosen to provide, but I am thoroughly disappointed that you are either unable or unwilling to publicly provide a complete list of your resources. Despite your continued insistence, the ‘notebook’ that I read did not contain a bibliography so that I could refer to what you excerpted in its’ original context, much less any indication of permission given to reprint. As an individual, I don’t believe you speak for me as a citizen, and the manner in which you treat people is certainly something that I would not support under any means. As a resident, I am embarrassed by the behavior of Mr. Moss in his exchange with others and myself in this thread – people have asked questions of him, not hurled accusations. No answers have been forthcoming. I appreciate the opportunity provided to ask, nonetheless, and will continue to discuss the matter with others and make up my own mind.
Where is the responsive leadership? The careful due diligence?
Local elected officials and the EDC President persist in pushing their private prison agenda. From the very beginning of the private prison debate, this handful of City and County Officials have refused to carefully consider the evidence, and have refused to acknowledge the widespread citizen opposition.
Arrogance and willful ignorance are not attributes of good leadership. They must be held accountable.
Great article- and here’s the update: we’ve been collecting signatures right and left, and
the petition drive is going extremely well. We can always use some help, though-
readers can sign petitions at the Pickle Barrel or United Jewelry, and if you’re
civic minded and want to make a difference, please volunteer to carry a petition
and get some signatures! Call Darin at 200-8553 and we’ll set you up in a heartbeat.
Thanks one and all- now let’s get this issue settled once and for all!
poor citizens of Globe. i was visiting your fair city as i love the small town atmosphere, historic buildings and charming people i run into; not to mention the food. everywhere i went i heard the good people speaking of “the prison”. prison says i ? why would the city want to put in ANOTHER PRISON ? (there is a facility run by Arizona Department of Corrections) right down the road. it used to house low custody inmates, sex offenders and hardened criminals (not all the same time).
if you read about the “Private Prison” Corporations, you will find , they place them mostly in middle and rural America. (ya know , kinda like out of the way where the citizens are too ignorant to refuse it). The BIG corporations say there facility is professionally run with strict guidelines and professional staff. HINT: there are a lot of private prison employees who have CRIMINAL RECORDS outside the county they are employed in. Do you want that sexual deviant, dog killer, drug user driving through your town and shopping at the same stores your children shop ?
look at the facility in FLORENCE AZ. when 3 inmates escaped. there have been more escapes , but the ones who searched for the escapees were County, State and City Police. all at a cost to the citizens. a Bill for services was later forwarded to CCA.
the corporation will say that “THOUSANDS” of jobs will be introduced into the area. HINT: when construction starts , the awarded architects will be from out of state, the construction company will be from out of state with a few “laborors” from local companies added. The Professional Staff will be lateral transfers from out of state and the few that get hired from the local area’s (Mesa,Casa Grande) will not be pleased with the lack of housing and travel time getting to work which makes for a disgruntled driver speeding through the school zones.
Private Prisons are a warehouse and are big money makers for their own profit, not for the profits of Globe citizens. HINT; sure there will be monetary donations to the little leauge and girl scout troops but it’s all for show and tax deductable to boot.
HINT : all the inmates that will be housed there will be from out of state (Hardened killers from Hawaii, gang members from California) or maybe “immigrants” awaiting transfer back to their homeland.
I applaud the citizens who want to make the right choice for the city they live in by refusing to accept the facility and at the very least have the voters decide by placing it on the ballot.
HINT : ask the citizens of Eloy, Florence if there have been any improvements to their lifestyle or cities infrastructure. I guarantee you they will SAY NO.
I admire what Mr. Moss and the people against this proposal have accomplished. I happen to be for the prison but I feel a vote on the issue is what is best for Globe.
Congratulations on all you have achieved thus far.
We are fortunate here in Globe to have Mayor Shipley and our town council as it stands. They have done great things for our community and many of us applaud their efforts. It will be a real pleasure to have the opportunity to vote for them again in a few months time.
Thank you Globe town council.
One of many un-named supporters.
And by the way, let me address the anonymous question. I advertise with GMT. I shop at Mr. Moss’ store and many others including Simply Saras and Mr. Palmers bakery. I would like to keep it that way.
I agree wth you Tom. Prison town…hahaha we have a prison. And a jail. I don’t feeel like a “prison Town” To all the ones who tried to help bring in this opportunity I say thank you.
I certainly hope the Copper Spike Excursion will be allowed to continue under the new railway owners. Opportunities to experience train travel are becoming more and more limited outside of the major East Coast markets–so having it available as part of a historic tour make the trip even more special.
Posted with permission for Carl Southard who posted this comment on FB.
The Copper Spike was the greatest thing that I have ever been a part of, I was introduced to Kip Culver by my mother several months after coming out of a month long coma, I was still having balance problems, but helping to restore the little depot became a rehabilitation for me, both body and mind, and most importantly working with Kip Culver showed me what it meant to belong to a community, to be part of something that I can look back at with pride for the rest of my life.
When the Copper Spike was running at first from the little depot, I would man the depot selling tickets and such, in between runs I would go next door to the laundry mat and try to see it as a train depot, as it was described to me by some of the local folk who had seen it for themselves back in its day. When Kip Culver got the Historic Globe Main Street Program in and the laundry out is when the work got going on the train depot itself. Since it was all volunteers doing the work, getting the people all free to work on it at the same time was not a easy task, Kip worked so hard on all of it.
Alot of the restoration when on Saturday’s and Sunday’s, as the train was running I was manning the little depot, making me miss alot of it, I still got to get my hands dirty there, but watching it from next door almost made me want to cry!
Posted with permission for Carl Southard who posted this comment on FB.
You can tell a lot about a town, they say, by looking at its architecture. No doubt, the old County Court house is Globe’s crowning jewel, as the heart of Gila County’s seat of government. But when you think about it, historically speaking, if the County Seat is Globe’s heart, then that train depot is the dorsal aorta, for surely our cultural life flowed freely through it for some time. What other town would think nothing of having an active railroad track run down the center of the street in front of their City Hall?
The Copper Spike reminds us to look back and reflect on our grand past of affluence and boastful hope in the American Westward movement, “Go West, young man. Go West!” We can use that hope in these troubled times.
I have many memories in that old building. I worked in the old train depot during the days that Greyhound Lines leased it. I was just a kid of 14 -16, but I was old enough to work alone planning itineraries, selling tickets, meeting the arrivals and departing buses, handling the freight and baggage, and sending Western Union telegrams and money orders. No, it wasn’t in the “glory days,” of the train, but the spirit was still there.
Kip Culver understands feels this spirit too, and has worked hard to keep that artery of life open, not only by restoring the depot back to its former grandeur, but also in promoting the Copper Spike Excursion. True, it increases the local economic flow through tourism, but Ah! There’s nothing like a consistent train’s whistle to resuscitate Globe’s “can-do” spirit! Don’t you agree?
JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE “two sons of the Salas family are responsible for La Santa Cruz de la Globe to be recognized as a National Register of Historic Places.” ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAD PLAYED A ROLL IN THIS. THERE ARE THE NAVARRO BOYS WHO ARE THE ONE’S WHO CARE FOR THE CROSS EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR. ALSO ALL THE FAMILY’S OF THE THE 11 FRIEDS OF Rosalio Salas.
WITH ALL THE BLESSING FROM THE HEAVENS ABOVE, IS WHAT MADE THIS HAPPEN!!!!
Hi Dawn. THANKS for adding to our outline of La Santa Cruz de la Globe and including others who need to be recognized. It IS a testament to the many who came together to do this. Thanks again, L
Concerning the article above on vintage mannequins, I would appreciate very much a little info. on these. I have a vintage boy sitting mannequin that I bought for $250.00 in the 1990’s. Now I would like to sell him and I don’t know where to start. Do you have any ideas? I live in the East Bay near San Francisco, CA. I would appreciate any information you could give me. Thank you so much. Sincerely, Lorraine
I love hiking round mountain. We like to pack lunch and take our family (5 kid total) and hike and have our lunch at the picnic tables near the top. If you haven’t been to the top, it should definitely be on your bucket list, beautiful view.
What a beautiful tribute to Velma. It is so very difficult to say goodbye to a pet. Velma will always be in your heart and the love you had for one another is strong & pure. As the days and weeks pass, her spirit will continue to surround you with love.
Darin,
I am so sorry to hear about Velma. What a great way to honor her life. I needed a kleenex.
Our dogs are an extension of us and our feelings. Funny how my dog likes someone I don’t and
how he doesn’t like some one I do. Go figure. They say trust your dog. I am still trying to figure that one out.
Love you and talk soon.
My deepest sympathy to Mr. Lertique’s family and friends. My daughter and I were at the library 2 weeks ago “renting books” as she calls it and she asked him if we could live on mars, He said, so serious, We do live on mars!! What a wonderful sense of humor he had. Just yesterday we took flowers to my Mother at the cemetery and she asked her usual 4 year old questions. One being, “On your way to heaven Mommy can you stop by the planets and stars”? I told her “I didn’t see why not”! We will soon be returning our books and I know she will ask where the Library man is? I will tell her, “He had to go to heaven”. I smile knowing she will say with bright eyes, “I bet he stops at Mars!” Mr. Lertique made a Wonderful impression on me and my daughter, and I am forever grateful for that!! He will be greatly missed!!
What a terrific couple! We met them– and some of their friends and family– at the Pickle Barrel.
Great photo of a truly sweet pair. Congratulations and many happy years together!
I’ve never been more conscious of my nationality than when I lived abroad or traveled to other countries. It’s easy to forget about until you suddenly find yourself being processed through an immigration office or introduced to someone as an American rather than someone from Phoenix or Arizona. And in many countries, “being American” doesn’t make you popular. Take your pick, from our foreign policy to our dark history, not everyone is fond of us “Americans”.
Nonetheless, it was during these times that I developed my deepest sense of what “being American” means to me. There is no guarantee I would have the same appreciation for diversity, my eclectic taste, my love of nature, or be as independent or as adventurous as I am had I not lived my unique experience here as a U.S. citizen.
I realize my experience is just one out of a sea of experiences I could have had. I have a “Japanese” and a “white” family. My parents divorced when I was eight, and I was raised by my father. Ours was a non-religious household. I grew up in Sacramento, named the most diverse city in the country in 2002 by TIME magazine. I lived near beautiful landscapes I was free to roam with a bike or a car. I had access to food, electricity, clean water, a roof over my head, an education, and all the resources an urban upbringing could afford — and what so many of us take for granted — at my fingertips.
Yet in my travels, I’ve met elderly persons who have never stepped foot outside their hometown, and women who have spent the majority of their lives covered head to toe. I’ve met people who have lived through civil wars, and dissidents who fear for their safety.
Had I had been born in any other country, their experience could have just as easily been my own.
To be an American means to be yourself – true to your past, your present and your potential. It means to respect one another for being him/herself. If amenable to others, it means to be able to constructively and appropriately communicate about differences in a way that encourages future dialogue. If not amenable to others, it means to be able to accept that differences exist and to not try to change others to our way of thinking or mode of living.
To be an American means to be loyal, strong, brave, responsible, and above all – and without exception – to be a person of deep and unquestionable integrity. Certainly these are all elements of what it means to be human; because our nation’s people are composed of people from all walks of life, from every land of the earth, from every belief system.
To be an American means to be blessed with the opportunities to learn, to freely speak and assemble, to worship (or not) in the faith of one’s choosing, to find fulfillment in a self-chosen profession, vocation or field of study. It is to be free to make mistakes and accept their consequences; it is to be empowered with responsibility to learn from the past, live in the present, and prepare for the future.
More than twenty years ago, two weeks before my wedding, I was forced to cancel the ceremony because my fiancé was shipped overseas. On the day I would have been married I struggled with the idea that I had to give up my husband for the sake of another man’s freedom. It was on that day that I began to recognize the sacrifice our forefathers made to present us with the freedom and independence we have today. Eventually my fiancé did come home and yes, we did finally marry….and that country he fought for does have a certain level of freedom and liberty than it did before.]
Being an American means that we honor those who sacrificed with life and limb to gain the freedom and independence that we enjoy so much today. Each of us enjoys the freedom to live our lives according to our own choices. Many would suggest that our nation has lost their way as they have sought to challenge our rights to certain freedoms or to remove our right to privacy. I can’t help but to look at the creativity and ingenuity that comes out of this nation as we engage in the pursuit of happiness. Our freedom to worship God in whatever way that we choose elicits not only a search for truth, but also a sense of contentment within those who believe they have attained it. The establishment of a democracy gains every American a voice toward the progression of this great nation. It is the free exercise of that voice that presents America with the independence and liberty to go where their choices have taken them. This has given America a natural flow of creativity and talent like no other nation. The variety of music and artistic abilities demonstrated within our nation leaves me feeling excited and proud to be an American.
Thank you for sharing your story, Jodie. I’m glad to hear it ended on a happy note. I agree that our creativity and ingenuity in this country is astounding.
An American is a Muslim, an Atheist, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Jain, etc. An American is correct, incorrect, gay, straight, left, right, black, brown, red, yellow, white, generous, greedy, happy, depressed, angry, loving, sick, healthy, addicted, and recovering. I thank God, am an American.
“What it means to be an American is less about who you are than what you are about… how you live your life, how you contribute to this country, how you pledge allegiance to a flag hoping and praying it will make room for you. What it means to be an American is in the hearts of the people who, in their struggles and heartaches, in their joys and triumphs, fight for America and fight to be American every day.” (Jose Antonio Vargas)
It wasn’t until I lived in a houseful of international students in the 70’s and 80’s that I even began to identify as American. My extended family became students from all over the world who came to Kansas State University to study agriculture..and found their way to my mothers’ boarding house. We had a big, rambling 17 bedroom house filled with students from Nigeria, Germany, Korea, Iran, Nicaragua, China, Ethiopia, and India. It was living with students from other countries that I began to learn just how many freedoms I took for granted having had the sheer luck to be born an American. Freedoms including free speech to criticize the government without being jailed or banned for life or have my life threatened and access to education which was given to me without having to ‘earn a spot at the table’. And a belief embedded in ‘Being American’ that whatever circumstances you are born in to you can still carve out your own future and make your own success in this world. That’s always been our strong suit. I hope we never loose it.
I’ve worked with people from other counties that have made me appreciate being an American more. We are given unlimted opportunities to make our lives successful. People risk their lives daily to try to get those opportunities.
How do I go about ordering a poster. I wont be able to attend the show as I have a car show in pinetop the same weekend and have already committed to that?
Hi Kevin: I’ll set it up on the Eventbrite Site so you can order a poster, without purchasing a ticket. Check it out late Monday and I’ll have that done. Sorry you can’t make the event! ~L
Our dad, Ramon Rubalcaba, Sr. was one of the contractors that built the structures at the new drive-in. Our dad and Mr. Frank Hollis were quite the pair. I even remember when Bobby was born. Frank and my dad were friends throughout my childhood, growing up in Globe. Our dad did many repair and construction jobs that the two of them collaborated on. As a kid, I worked for Mr. Hollis on many of those repair jobs, I spent many weekends at the Alden and Globe theaters. Mr. Hollis would pay me with movie passes…that was awesome..growing up, I never paid to go to the movies, and even through high school. I always took friends and Frank would tell us…”buy lots of concessions,” which we did! One weekend I came home from college, and helped mix cement, move some brick for the then new drive-in. I believe my brother Abie also helped quite a bit, he was still in high school at the time. I hope I can get a ticket so I can be part of the celebration (and attend driving our 1967 Chevy Camaro..what a blast from the past…!). I will be sorry to see the end of the drive-in era for Globe.
Ramon! That is such great information! Do you have any family photos from those early years that you’d care to let us share with readers! Would love to have you attend in your ’67 Chevy Camaro. It’s going to a Big ’60s night of fun! ~L
I’ll check with my bother Abie and my sister Mary, when my parents passed away, we sold the house and we all live elsewhere in Arizona..but close…I remember someone having pictures of the new drive-in as it was being built…no cellphones back then…ha…ha..I do have many fond memories of the Hollis family
It is sad that the Drive-In is closing, and wonderful that you all are celebrating in such a 50’s/60’s manner! I am sorry that I will be thousands of miles away and won’t be able to attend. I’ll just have to pretend that I am in the trunk of one of your cars, sneaking in without paying. But as much as I think that “American Graffiti” is a great paean to the drive-in movie, wouldn’t it be even more appropriate to show Peter Bogdanovich’s “The Last Picture Show”? From the first time I saw it in 1971, I thought, “THERE is a film that reflects the town I grew up in!” Jacy: “Not here. I’m too old for screwin’ in cars. …. We’ll do it when it’s safe. We’ve got all summer.”
Hey Bob, we actually thought about doing “The Last Picture Show”, as well as “Midnight Run” which was filmed mostly in and around Globe. We couldn’t get ahold of those films! And in the end it was decided that American Graffiti, which is celebrating it’s 40th Anniversary THIS year would be a fun theme to build an event around and give all of us baby boomers a chance to re-live the ’60s! Have you checked out our Pinterest page “where were you in ’62?” I had forgotten some of the fun memories from then. Remember Rowan and Martins’ Laugh In? https://pinterest.com/globemiamitimes/where-were-you-in-62/.
I know you said you didn’t do facebook, but take a look at the link. It will bring back memories.
I have known Gertie for years…My husband & her husband Louie were good friends.. We have all camped & fished together and eaten and watched home Movies….even raising our children together. WE kept in contact unjtil 4 years ago when my husband passed usually stopping in to visit once a year.
She is a wonderful and gifted Craftswoman & I have seen much of her work over the years…she presented me both of her dolls (like the ones shown above) as personal gifts. She has been a wonderful friend over the years and I feel blessed to have been considered her friend.
What a super nice, wonderful person she was. I know that she will be surely missed! Thank you, Jane, for all you have done for our community. Thank you for helping my Girl Scout Troop #1961 earn their Bronze Award. Thank you for helping Cub Scout Pack 777 by letting us have a flag ceremony at the Senior Center. Thank you for all your sweet smiles.
This woman I have never met but know so well in the last couple of days left our world much too soon. It is overwhelmingly obvious that she gave so much strength and hope to those in need. Her passing has truly left a scar on our community. Jane, I hope that you not only can see us from the place that you are in now, but that you will also continue to enrich our lives from a better place.
Our hearts are aching for Jane’s loved ones and for this community which has lost one of its “angels”. Jane was such a special and unique, caring person. She was a very accomplished woman, intelligent and knowledgeable about art and history, but it was her heart that shone with kindness and compassion that we mourn. What a loss for us all!
Jane will be remembered for her tireless work on behalf of the senior citizens of Globe and Southern Gila County.
Oremus: Let us be eternally grateful fto our Lord for the gift of Jane’s live of friendship and her Christ-like service. I am the resurrection and the life, saith the Lord: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Amen. Requiescat in pace, Jane Johnson Eck.
You will be greatly missed, Jane. I will never forget our small talk…I always looked forward to seeing your face 🙂 You were a sweet and caring woman that I will always think of!
Jane was such a giving soul. She will be very missed. She gave so much of herself to her family and this community. She touched so many lives. Our community will never quite be the same from the loss in this horrific tragedy. I am grateful to God that our lives were granted the grace of knowing such an amazing, lively woman. The fine people at the Adult Center were so lucky to be graced with the many talented gifts she was able to bring to them and all the wonderful blessings through Christ he allowed Jane to serve our community with. We were so blessed to have had her in each and every one of our lives. I ask God now to be with her family in their struggles with the grieving of her passing. As there are just no words. I ask God to ease their heavy hearts. She will be always remembered and never forgotten. I am so sorry to the entire Eck Family for your great loss. My prayers are with you.
Oh my Goodness.. My Dear Precious Precious Best Lifetime Friend Jane..
We have been BEST FRIENDS.. Sisters Forever.. I can’t imagine my Life without you in it..
Our Treasured Memories Together are Priceless.. No one Shared in FUN and LAUGHTER as the two of us..
My Heart is Sad and a hole will Forever be as no one else can replace yu.. Tears.. Tears.. Heart to Heart..
It didn’t matter if we got busy with Life and hadn’t made contact for a time.. time never lapsed in our Friendship..
Words were not needed to show our LUV.. one for another.. we knew what the other thought and felt at any given moment..
The LORD was the center of your Life.. Classy Lady.. Serving God’s Children is your Legacy..
“When Ye Have Done it Unto the Least of These My Brethren.. Ye Have Done it Unto Me..”
Luv ya,
Best Friend & Sis Forever
Oh My Goodness.. My Dear Precious Precious Best Lifetime Friend Jane..
We have been BEST FRIENDS.. Sisters Forever.. I can’t imagine my Life without you in it..
Our Treasured Memories Together are Priceless.. No one Shared in FUN and LAUGHTER as the two of us..
My Heart is Sad and a hole will Forever be as no one else can replace you.. Tears.. Tears.. Heart to Heart..
It didn’t matter if we got busy with Life and hadn’t made contact for a time.. time never lapsed in our Friendship..
Words were not needed to show our LUV.. one for another.. we knew what the other thought and felt at any given moment..
The LORD was the center of your Life.. Classy Lady.. Serving God’s Children is your Legacy..
“When Ye Have Done it Unto the Least of These My Brethren.. Ye Have Done it Unto Me..”
Julee you were the Sparkle in her Eyes…
Luv ya,
Cyndi
Best Friend & Sis Forever
We’ve known Jane and Bob since they started building their beautiful new house up the road from us. We used to meet once a month with our other neighbors, have dinner and discuss what was going on in our lives. I will miss those times together. Nothing is fair about how things seem to go sometimes and Bob will need a lot of support from all of us..
Jane was a wonderful woman – energetic and enthusiastic about helping others. When I began working as a volunteer coordinator for RSVP, Jane had just left her management position at the Red Mountain Multi-Generational Center in Mesa and had moved to Globe to become head of the senior center there. I still remember spending a day at Central Arizona College in Coolidge in a booth next to hers on campus – laughing and talking together. I was so blessed to have known her.
Aunt Janie, I have so many great memories of you when I was little. I remember you always had a smile for me, even when you may have had to reach down deep inside to find it. I always would get so excited to come to your house in Mesa, and just watch you be you. I have always thought you were THE most naturally beautiful woman I had ever known and you always looked so comfortable in your own skin. You taught me a little something about that and for that I am forever grateful. You gave me a book to read 20 years ago or so, called Balcony People, and it has been read and reread and highlighted and loaned to my good friend who still references it to this day. I am reading it again now as it makes me feel close to you, I am not a “Balcony Person” yet, but it has taught me to strive to be better in all things and also that my actions are my only true possessions, they are the only ground I stand on. That memory, along with still (after 41years) sleeping on my Snow White and the 7 Dwarves pillow case you made for me for Christmas when I was 5 always remind me of the impact you probably never knew you had on me. I remember I thought I lost that pillow case a few years ago and I was devastated, but thankfully I still have it! I always look at it like a piece of you that I get to have forever. Thank you for being a part of my life and I can promise you that this world will never be the same without you, but you left it a much better place than you found it.
To Bob and Julee and all of Aunt Janies family, words do not express the sorrow and sadness I feel for you at such a sudden and tragic loss. I know that there is little one can say that will help, but when my Daddy died a good friend gave me a book that had the line “Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.” -Dr. Suess
Our family is still in shock. She was an amazing woman and made such a difference in many people’s lives. She will be missed by many. She is now an angel in Heaven just like she was here on earth! We love you. Jane.
I did not know her very well, but what I did know of her was she was a kind and gentle person, with a good heart! Your passing is a sad one for the moment, but knowing your now with our God and Creator is a comforting thought! Rest in Peace young lady!
I remember you well from school,Westwood High in Mesa.You were always kind and had such a sweet smile for everyone.I can still remember seeing your beautiful face and lovely long hair,you glowed.Even though I didn’t know you really well,I felt you were my friend.It is sad that you have left us,my heart aches for your family and friends……..but, I know you are in heaven with our Heavenly Father.You were a special lady Jane!! Your classmates love you so much!! RIP dear friend.
I loved the ’40s for the fact that people used to go out and dance to the sounds of the Big Bands. But the ’20s had alot of that too. And you couldn’t go out dancing in just anything. It had to have style!
I was barely 2 years old in 1962. Coming from the East Coast, drive in movies were plentiful at the time. It is really a shame that slowly they are closing. Although I suppose if more people went on a regular basis, instead of the high dollar theaters the trend would switch.
I just went to the Arboretum for the bird walk last Saturday morning and it was amazing!! There was such an abundance of beautiful sights to admire and nature experts willing to share their vast knowledge. I will definitely have to return again soon!
It will be a true shame to see the Apache Drive-In close. After loosing the bowling alley, there leaves very little to do in this town, that spikes the interest of the younger generations. Sure we have the walk-in theater now, but lets face it, it’s just not the same. You would almost be lead to believe that Globe was becoming a retirement community, when our biggest attractions are the mining and antiques. It is just one more reason to move to “the big city”. With less and less to provoke young buyers to come to our town and establish a living, who else is there to continue “the legacy” of what was once a beauty in architecture and grand allure?
With the help of old Kodachrome slides that I am in the process of converting to JPG images my memory of those early 60 days is becoming sharper. My dad had his own business as a dental technician so He liked expensive things. We went to a boat show and decided to buy one of the ski boats on display a 12 foot G 3 Ski boat by Glastron it was powered by a 70 hp Merc outboard motor. To balance things out with Mom, Dad bought her a mink that she only wore a few times. That was the best part of 62
James, I enjoyed the earlier version of the play which I saw at the Hersberger several years ago. Looking forward to the full story on stage with this one! ~Linda
I will always love you jane just the way you were on the very first day we met on MacDonald Street. Many blessings and warm wishes and love you out to Morgan, Janice, Denver and Ann. I love you all and think of you as the family I never had. Love you all forever. L.
Thanks Dani. Actually all the photos and the coverage were done by Jenn Walker this year. She does do a great job on covering events with her camera. I missed it this year since I was in Tucson last weekend, but it looks like there were some great performances. ~L
hello Selena, My name is Donna. I have been researching online any and all designers and dress makers. it is difficult to find someone who is willing to make an apache dress. MANY RESPOND WITH TOO MUCH MATERIAL. I love your story,dresses and your ability to see that modern skin tight dresses takes away from the culture and meaning of ones tribe. I have asked many who sew and they usually respond with ” why dont you wear a T dress?”, I am Jicarilla Apache and I have been dancing in the powwow circuit for over 20 years. I would feel uncomfortable to switch dresses simply because its the new fashion. my ancestors did not change because of fashion , why should I. I am excited to hear from you, I currently live in Las Vegas and would like to know if you plan on showing your designs here in this area or California. thank you for keeping the culture alive!
Hi, my name is Kathy Benavidez and I am of Apache/Mexican heritage. I love to sew and have made several camp dresses for different people. I made my first one for the first ceremony I was to be a vital part of and it was my only dress for twenty nine years. I finally bought material to make myself a new dress and I am looking forward to wearing it. I have made others for women who are beginning to explore their heritage and it has become important to me that they understand how and maybe why the women dressed as they did. I always say I dress this way to honor them, to keep their memory alive-it is a pleasure to dress as they did.
I am interested in either having a camp dress made, or getting instructions on how to make my own. Can anybody out there help me or give me pointers? Thank you!!
hello, i have been trying to find a website or contact info for dale and Claire. I have been searching for an Apache buckskin for 2 years. If you have this information i would greatly appreciate this. Thank you Donna Padilla
I had the pleasure of working with Fred Wesley on several occasions with some real “problem” horses. He turned them around in just a few sessions. Taking what I learned from him, I was to work with them and not get either of us hurt. In addition, I had quite a few lessons with him in the saddle. Improved my seat and my confidence.
Great lady, great story. One correction: “She frequently contributed her work to the Arizona Silver Belt, then called the Arizona Republic …” should be “then called the Arizona Record …”.
Thanks for the correction. We will make the edit in the article on-line. I remember Donna Anderson doing a piece for us several years ago about all the newspapers in the region and forget when the Silver Belt came into being. Better go back to her article and check that out. ~L
I was surfing net and frenutatoly came across this site and found very interesting stuff here. Its really fun to read. I enjoyed a lot. Thanks for sharing this wonderful information.
HI: My family came from Globe from the 1880s to about May of 1976 when ‘Aunt Bell Taft” passed away. The Edwards, the Crawfords, Sawyers, Maldonado, Moreno, Kellners and others. Although most everyone, except the Edwards are now, gone. I’ve been in Love with Globe for both of my parents were born there and later I used to drive my ‘Granie’ in the early 60s to visit Aunt Belle & many other old friends. It was truly a labor of Love…getting out of Phoenix was nice and easy and Globe was always cooler. Dad got a Scholarship to the “U” of Arizona for Basketball & Football from Globe High and then into the Army Air Corps / USAF for 36 years….seldom looking back. With me, it has always been different, for I think Globe offers much to anyone ! So much family History here! THANK YOU,
I just read your Palmer Report for Oct. 28 to Nov. 3rd…as published in Globe-Miami Times, on facebook…wondering if your Palmer Report is only available via this site? I’ve apparently missed other reports via Globe Miami Times’ facebook page…..guess I’ve neglected to read the previous Palmer Reports via the G-M times posts on facebook.
I too remember the Keystone. When I was a 12 year old 7th grader in 1954, I was a Phoenix Gazette paperboy. To be more specific, Route 3 started at the old bus station at the corner of Highway 60 and Miami Avenue. I carried 27 papers at 35¢ per week, grossing $9.45. It cost me 5¢ per day to catch the bus back to the housing project. The bar on the corner next door to the waiting room had a great baseball pinball machine available for 5¢ a game and it was surprising how much I must have spent there while waiting around for my ride.
From there I headed for Miles Mortuary then to Adonis Ave where headed up the hill to the Miami Copper Co. My first stops there were to the management housing complex, the Almaden Club, the crusher, the hoist house and finally to the hospital. Ithen headed down the hill toward Sullivan and eventually back to Miami Commercial where my route ended.
My first delivery at the bottom of the hill was the Keystone Hotel located almost directly behind the side-by-side La Fiesta, La Paloma and El Rey restaurants. I never saw the inside because they woulnd’t even let me up the stairs! Instead, I had to ring the bell and wait for the madam to bring my 35¢ down to me. What a bummer.
My Dad worked for Mark Schwartz for years designing and building several jouse and businesses at the Country Club Manor deverlopment. In addition to Mark’s home he also built the Redwood Inn and Phil Sawaii’s cocktail lounge. My uncles Manuel Haywood and Bee Wilhelms both worked for my Dad as did my Grandfather Frank Morris.
On one occasion I heard Dad and Manuel talking and laughing about doing some repair and rewmodeling at the Keystone after a fire. The story line was that the girls at the Keystone were “so hot” they set the place on fire! Who knows how much truth there was in that coversation?
After the Keystone was closed a new hotel, the Copper something or other as I recall, was built on the corner of all places, Keystone Avenue and Highway 60 and became the new bus stop for service from the Globe-Miami area to the Valley.
The draft was still in effect and when we turned 18, all us guys had to register and have a physical which required taking the bus to Phoenix, being poked and prodded then hauled back home and released on our own recognizance. That would have been in 1960, the year I graduated from Miami High.
We all knew there was a brothel in the hotel but nobody admitted ever having been a customer there. We joked about it a little while we waited in the lobby for the bus when, low and behold, down the stairs came one of the girls who was taking a break. She had been one of our classmates at MHS! We all aughed and chatted with her for a few minutes before the bus arrived. I never saw her again after that but the memory still burns in my brain.
Yes, and the story i heard about people looking the other way, including law enforcement is that it ended when the new manager of the keystone had the audacity to advertise the business in the yellow pages. I believe that was in the mid-60s. That sorta in-your-face announcement of the activity made it all but impossible to ‘look the other way.’ Sigh. end of an era.
Hello, as I was doing some baseball research on my grandfather John L. Smirch catcher, baseball player for the 1925 “Douglas Blues” VS “Miami Miners’ game at Association park an exhibition game was played
Wednesday August 5,1925 Score Douglas -7 miners -0.
Does anyone have any information about purchasing a photograph of Association park in 1920’s era. in Globe,Arizona? Famous players that were on the field that date August 5,1925
listed, Joe Jackson, Hal Chase, Swede Risberg, Chick Gandil the banned White Sox later known as the Black Sox
Please call, John Smirch at 818-624-7510. Thank You.
I was born in October 1954 in Globe and then of course attended Globe schools K-12, graduating from GHS in 1972. I attended Noftsger Hill School for K-2nd, then I was sent to East Globe 3rd through 6th. My second grade Teacher was an African American Lady named Mrs. Moore. In those days young students (like 2nd graders) never asked about their Teachers background or given names, we all just assumed they were born Teachers and had no first name. (Obviously tongue in cheek) It is my memory that Mrs. Moore was a very good teacher.
I recall that upon returning from recess one afternoon she had arranged the desks in such a way that my desk was a sort of store counter and we played a game of Store with me being the clerk. It seemed like an honored position but I quickly realized the Clerk had to do all the Math of making change. I had to make change for the rest of the class until I made a mistake then another student took over as the Clerk. I still think that was a very good lesson for learning Mathematics and obtaining an understanding of how money is used. I think many students in many grades (not just 2nd graders) could learn from that lesson. I do not ever recall anyone making any racial comments about Mrs. Moore, to me she was my Teacher. Why would we (her students) question, her abilities, she seemed pretty smart to us. I am now 61 and retiring from a career as an Electrical Engineer so apparently I did learn a few things about Mathematics and I still have very fond memories of Mrs. Moore and my 2nd grade class at Noftsger Hill School. Not being aware of racial issues when I was in 2nd grade I hope Mrs. Moore felt as welcomed in Globe as a teacher and an individual as I feel she is endeared in my memory and welcomed in my heart.
Dave Marley
GHS class of 1972
Loved the article, with the exception of the comment that it took two contractors to tear down the old Miami High School because it was so solid. I came on the school board after the first guy left. He absconded after getting paid. We went to court and it went to the ninth district court of appeals where Miami lost because they had overpaid on the pay schedule. Then we had to hire someone to finish the job.
The legend is out there that it was too tough to tear down and as they say in the movie Liberty Valence,If there is a myth and a legend, go with the legend..
Hi L! Thanks for the comment and information – so interesting to hear more details of the story. The comment came straight from Tom Foster at Bullion. Sounds like this is a sidelight to Miami history that could use some looking into!
Love your article. I was raised in this small town and learned some great history from u today. I’m writing a blog where I was raised and stumbled upon your article and I’m glad I did! Thanks for the good read.
My brother works as an assistant county coroner in Butler County, Ohio, north of Cincinnati. It’s an upscale suburban community that has an exploding Heroine problem. Hundreds of twenty-something kids, many with college backgrounds, have access to high-quality heroine at low prices. Young people are dying…He tells me that the heroine dealers are doing classic marketing, introducing lightly cut “horse” at low prices, and then gradually decreasing the purity and increasing the price per dose. It’s crazy. Watch your youngsters closely! this is a serious issue!
How about basic journalism and tell us where Washington Park ? Perhaps located 20 miles north of Payson and 20 miles east East of Strawberry would give the reader a better idea ? SMH
This is such a great article! Parents need to realize that the toy companies are a business and not out there for their child’s best interest! Thanks for sharing.
Hi Patty, Prolotherapy is effective on Plantar Fasciitis, as long as the person is not on any anti inflammatory medications such as Advil, Aleve, and Motrin ect.
Before doing the Prolotherapy I would establish that we are dealing with Plantar Fasciitis and not some other condition that is causing the heel pain.
Maybe in the future I can do a dialog on Plantar Fasciitis?
My initial consultation fee is $130.00 with a 20% off when a person is self pay which comes out to be around $104.00.
Wonderful story. Includes some real Arizona history. The old Globe cemetary holds many colorful individuals. Andy Hall is one of my favorite stories, lives through Powell’s first trip through the Grand Canyon to die in the Pinals during a mail robbery.
Many unsung tales except for local records or as recorded by Globe history.
This is my Aunt and Uncles house. We have started a GoFund Me page to try and help them rebuild. Judy and Sparky’s fire rebuild fund
Any help for the Parkhurst family is truly appreciated. m.gofund.me/vkmp9p-rebuild-fund?rcid=f8e774cfdb9845c89ba1843cf47a428c
Is it not the responsibility of the school as well as bus driver’s to see to it this child gets on the right bus? My granddaughter can’t get on a different bus without my permission. Irresponsible if you ask me
I was recently in Globe and visited both the Gila County Historical Museum and the cemetery. I have many family and past businesses ties to the Globe/Miami area. While there I saw my paternal grandfather’s headstone in section 18, row 3, lot 72. My maternal grandfather’s grave is listed in the Globe Arizona Cemetery Inscriptions book, page 192 should be in section 18, row 3, lot 69. In that location is a headstone of a less than four year old child having been buried eight years prior to my grandfather and yet the child’s lot number is 69-A. Very curious! I contacted the Lamont mortuary, previously (father & son) Jones mortuary, and spoke with very helpful Pam. She said that Lamont’s only record was a funeral sheet stating that same information. She was technically unable to forward it to me as it was on a very large sheet, 14 inches. If either of you have any ideas that I could pursue I would very much appreciate it. Please contact me directly by email with any information or questions/details. Thank you for your consideration, in advance.
Very clearly observed and stated.
This country needs_ absolutely must have_ better government than this. Citizens like you, Jim Moss,are part of the answer.
Hello, I found this post when researching the Miami and Globe area and wanted to leave a message in case anyone has any information they could share. My grandfather was a Miner for the Miami Copper Co back through the 40’s. He was in a bar fight and as a result died back in Feb of 48′. I do know the bar was called Van’s Canteen but cannot find any information on it. I was wondering if anyone had photos or more information they could share. Also my father attended 1st grade at that time in Globe at a School called Osborn Grade School and cannot find information on that either. You can contact me at: brianpasadena28@yahoo.com , thank you.
My wife Tina and I met Gary by pure accident and found him to be a wonder person who has been a great person and glad to call him a friend and a good hearted person. God bless him. They broke the mold after God created him. What a truly great guy.
Thank you for a great article…I am heading there this weekend. My great great grandmothers first husband was Andrew Hammond not sure if he is the one mentioned that dug the first grave or not. I am truly amazed at how much knowledge is shared and help given to those of us looking for our ancestors.
Hello Patricia – thanks for sharing such a great summary of dysphagia. Many people miss mentioning the danger of aspiration. I work in the food services department for a group of nursing homes so this is a topic I stay on top of. Pneumonia from aspiration is deadly. Steps must be taken to prevent these folks from getting choked while eating. So, we take the consistency of any pureed foods very seriously so that the patient gets a nice smooth bolus of food that simply slides down without much work at all.
I started collecting carbide lamps a year or so ago and now have over a dozen.
Recently purchased a force feed Hansen, but need a reflector for it. Can anybody help?
Apologies to Leslie and others who marched this year to Oak Flat. You make a valid point: this is a significant local event and is something Globe Miami Times would typically cover. Yet neither I, nor my staff of freelancers were around to cover the story this year as we have in the past. Again, I regret not covering it, since it appears there was less coverage this year than in the past by all media. For reader who want to know more, I would suggest this piece written in 2017 by John Washington for edible Baja Arizona which does an excellent job in outlining the importance of the annual march. see: https://ediblebajaarizona.com/whats-stake-oak-flat. And we will strive to do better next year. Linda Gross, Editor.
Thank you so much for article on AHA / Pinal Cemetery. My grandfather, Andres Magdaleno, was a miner who lived in Miami & was killed in underground mining accident in 1942. He was 43 years old & was buried in this cemetery. Do you know what will happen to the cemetery?
Rita: Thanks for your comment and prayers for your uncle. The Pinal Cemetery remains a challenge to maintain since it is largely owned by several private entities which do not have the resources. The County was there today with a crew of nearly 20 volunteers and did clean up – but more needs to be done. Please stay in touch and we will hope for a solution to this problem. The cemetery represents so much of the local history and lives which built this community.
Hello, my Grandfather and Uncle are buried at Pinal Cemetary. I came to try to find them but I could not. Oct 1929 us when they were buried there. One passed on Oct 8 and the On Oct 5. They were miners from Pitcher Ok. They came to Globe to try to heal there lungs, but they both passed just three days of each other, double funeral. I do have some new inf ormation on my Grandfather, but Iam not sure they have head stones or if they both do if you can still see inscription. I am coming back to Pinal to look again. It’s something I just need to do. My mother Grandmother and Aunt would Love for me to find them,
… And the school … “On a Hill Above Miami, Stands the Vandal Hall……” (Miami High School-1918), demolished by greedy people, no longer stands. Shame, Shame, Shame. A magnificent building, strong, sturdy… 1918 — a solid building, could be, being used today for the benefit of all the local and surrounding communities, and could be, on the historical site of Arizona buildings.
Was there ever a Burbank Hotel in Miami, Az ? I cannot find any history and was told an antique piece I purchased (1912) came out of the Burbank Hotel in Miami, Az.
My husband & I came to John’ restaurant frequently & watch hockey. We sure miss Your cooking. Let us know if you’re cooking again. It would be worth the drive.
My Grandfather Pedro Limon and great uncle both are buried there and I believe my great grandmother is there too. Its so sad too see that the cemetery is such bad shape ,but it does comfort me to know that there are people who care and are trying to do something about it. Great story by the Globe Miami times
Thank you for sharing this report and thank you Mayor for taking the time to share the happenings of our city. I appreciate your hard work for the betterment of Globe.
I don’t believe they did. We just got information on this and it seems the group was concentrated in Miami only. Looking for an update from the IDA on this in the future.
So so sad, I absolutely adore P.P.L and I find the best stuff there!! I’ll need to go stock up on as many pairs of their sandals as possible and her gorgeous tunics too!! 🙁 it’s a sad night for me now!
My uncle worked at the mine near Seneca. He walked many miles to and from each day, winter snow, desert heat, he went to work. A faithful employee till it closed down. Sadly he died from lung cancer, mesothelioma, of course. I had other family worked there also. According to them, no one knew the danger of asbestos.
In a few days, I’m coming to the cemetery to look for the graves of Apolonio Acosta 1851-1930 and his son, Trinidad Acosta d 1952. They were the grandfather and uncle of a friend. Is there a way to find out where to look for these graves? Other than close-up pictures on websites, I have nothing else to go on.
Thank you.
The history of the Center For The Arts goes back to the early 1980’s. Many people with great vision worked hard to get this building, re model this building and give this building the life of art to share with all in this community.There have been many folks participate in growing this wonderful community place. Many participants have come and shared their talents and then moved on. But this place has always been an asset to the community because of the community. All were invited, young and old.
Since Kip has left us, much to soon, there have been those left to carry on the purpose. Molly no doubt has tried to keep the fires burning even with the other duties of her life. Her devotion is not in question.
What is in question is the direction of the executive board. They have a back room plan for the future of this Center and it seems that they want to cleanse the building of all that have come before them. How unfair to those of us who have treated this place like a second home. They need to be questioned! They need to be called out!! They need to hear our community roar!!! THIS IS OUR CENTER FOR THE ARTS and you can’t have it without a fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is time for the Mayor, City Council and the City of Globe to bring in mediation services in the CVCA executive board/board situation before the community loses the center.
This situation with the CVCA has to be resolved before more damage is done.
I’m looking for ANTOINO OLMOZ OR OLMOS. HE HAS A MUG SHOT FROM BEING DRUNK IN PUBLIC..MY MOTHER WAS BORN in MIAMI, AZ 1933 11/19 AND IM LOOKING FOR HER FATHER…HE WORKED IN THE MINES and I’m pretty sure he lived right across the chainlink fence from the mine.. I’LL SAY HE WAS BORN AROUND EARLY 1900’S..PLEASE HELP ME IF U CAN~~THANK YOU SO MUCH
I know for a fact a lot of the old time residents have been paying taxes for this for over 60 years and promised but never seen a sewer system. Here we go again, promises but only higher taxes for nothing. think about it people 60 plus years of taxes but no sewer. I also hear they want to charge according to property value so the ones with very little value will benefit the most if it happens. If it does happen it should be broken down to a fair price so everyone pays the same. The older folks who are on limited monies wont be able to afford this and will have to move. Taxation to death in a small community is not the answer. Time to vote a new board in.
Where would the Gila County American fit into this list. It astarted in the mid sixties to inform about Evan Mechum and Sam Steiger. I think it lasted several years. it was coodinated by a Tom Anderson. It was a weekly
newspaper for Globe and Miami but was printed in Phx. Cyote Wolfe also wrote a times of yore column about the area. I have clipping from this paper but they are currently lost in the boxes.
I attended meetings for about two years to cover action for the Silver Belt. I know that when Globe City Manager Billingsley was in charge, the City of Globe was NOT interested when the TRSD board met with them. Miami on the other hand wanted, in fact needs us (the Tri-City area), but they were not willing to let us have any representation as to how things were run with their Freeport funded treatment plant. Who wants to be taxed and not represented or have a say in what is being done? Even though there was a county requirement that cesspools must be replaced, many in the TriCity area have not done that, they simply dig a new hole because it has not been enforced. Also, NO ONE has wanted to step up and run for the Tri City board. When was the last time you voted on a Sanitation board member? Years, because no one will run. Even now two positions are up for election but no one is running against the incumbents, so whoever is up will simply remain. One position is still empty after having about three people serve and resign. I understand What Mr. Barcon is saying and I agree that things are not as they should be. BUT, if you don’t participate in the process, you get what you let happen. Where are the younger people? Those of you in your 30’s and 40’s if you intend to live here, you better start defining the rules rather than letting things just happen. Remember when you get hit with these dollars amounts and you are retired, you did not step up.
Christine :
After a short period of time, it’s all out there for everyone who knows you ! EUCLID AVE
benefited from that deal NOT the other way around. You are very intelligent,well spoken and a belong to
a group of gifted people from Globe that are ‘The Ambassadors’ in every sense of the word. Thank You,
personally, for all you do for people in general ,but also for Globe, in particular !! BEST WISHES
A caption under a picture of Giovando in an Arizona Daily Star article written by Greg Hansen on 9/1 read that he returned both interceptions for touchdowns. His article doesn’t actually stipulate that and neither does yours, which I though should be emphasized.
Would so enjoy touring the mine!
Please send information!
Is panning allowed?
Oh the wonder of actually finding the perfect piece that God made and sent my way! What a blessing!
My great great grandfather Jose Barba was buried there in 1931. Unfortunately, when I went there a few years back I was told that he was buried in the unmarked “Mexican Section” so I was only able to see the approximate location of his grave.
Dr. Wilshire seems way too young to be retiring until one learns about her myriad accomplishments. It sounds like she found her perfect fit in San Carlos. May her future endeavors bring her joy and satisfaction as well.
Very much educational and, informative. The beauty of a well placed stone can speak volumes or even move mountains and to know the actual truth rests so georgeously uniform in a well made handcrafted piece from a mine that holds it’s secrets and defines the eye of the beholder!!! Thanks for the article.😎😎
The meetings I attended were way too confusing and most questions were contradicted by the engineer and the lawyer. Yes it is being forced on the people of this community. I am on the phase 3 project which they will not get to us for several years. By the time they get to us inflation will have hit us soo hard that I’m afraid that we will pay twice as much as they are proposing. This sounds pretty shady to me. I do not agree with what they are proposing and do not intend to go along with this..
Hi, Dan. This article is in the most recent print issue of GMT — look at the bottom of the first page. You might also send your friend a link to the online GMT.
You left out Quayo’s On The Trail and Quayo’s El Rey in Miami, Arizona, I grew up in Globe/Miami, Arizona, you left so much info off about the area, the Besh-Ba -Gowah Museum and ruins, Roosevelt lake, Salt river which are only 1/2 hour away same for the Salt river canyon,
I know this article is a bit old but has the course been revitalized. I was there in the mid 2000’s and it was fantastic then. Sad that it was let to be run down so bad. The lay out is very nice. We were visiting from Alberta Canada.
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Bill and Gloria are a tremendous asset to the local community and talented artists in their own right. It’s wonderful to see Bill’s new music video which features the area. This will help spread the word about our community and generate interest in our area. Plus…it’s just a great video with fab music! Thanks Bill and Nikolas Duarte for producing something memorable for the Miami-Globe area.
We have posted the Open Letter of Response by Thea Wilshire, Chairperson of Globe’s Parks and Recreation Committee, on a separate post since it covers so much information. It shows the efforts being made to create a win-win for both parties whose interests and priorities are competing for the same ground.
Wilshire makes several good points in outlining the history and current status of the park and which reflect the City’s willingness to work on a solution which will satisfy the needs of both.
You can catch the full post under: 14 Facts: Dog Park vs Little League.
Thank you, Thea, for taking the time to respond to my post.
You covered a lot of ground and I appreciate it.
I believe with that with communication between all parties-
dog owners, sports fans, and our Globe-Miami neighbors, we
can create a spectacular site for the community.
While I did my best to keep my post unbiased, anyone who knows
me knows I support a change, and I believe the Pioneer Hills site,
with some polishing, just might be it. It’s an excellent opportunity to
create a truly special Dog Park!
Good job Thea! What great information.
You have put much time and effort in being sure we are all well informed of the history, and where were at currently with the dog park.
You are a voice I’m proud to have on my City Council
What a great job the people of Globe did putting on a grand cinco de mayo celebration. I an an outta towner and I can truely see the amount of effort put in. I got to meet the mayor in person and I know he has great plans for Globe. Keep up the good work.
Great reporting on Globe’s big Cinco de Mayo celebration! You addressed the issues surrounding this event accurately and in a balanced way.
I do hope the event paid for itself … and as a Downtown Globe business owner, I enthusiastically support the innovative efforts to make this event a big success. I shake my head head in dismay when I hear the naysayers whine & criticize. Kudos to the planners & doers — who dare to shake up the status quo by taking a chance on a special new event for our community.
And… Little Joe y la familia was fabulous! The night breeze was a bit chilly, but the performance was hot!
Thea, thank you for the comprehensive account as to how this issue/debate has evolved. My knowledge of this matter, until very recently, has come to me second-hand.
In spite of the open, transparent nature of the dialogue you describe with all parties concerned, there seems to have been considerable confusion surrounding the decision-making process. Perhaps some of this confusion results from people hearing different accounts…..and, the inability for all interested parties to gather together at the same time to hear the same thing and express concerns etc. So, as new ideas are floated & discussed, and the process evolves….not everyone is hearing the same thing. Anxiety levels rise.
One thing I was confused about pertains to the ultimate authority in this matter. Thea, you state above that the City Manager made the original decision to establish the Dog Park, therefore can revisit & change that decision without Council approval. Understood. However, at the Parks & Rec meeting a couple weeks ago, I left believing that Council action would be required. I do not mean to be trivial…..however, that knowledge is important to individuals attempting to understand how they can influence the decision-making process.
Regarding the ‘utilization review’ —- I for one, was most interested in learning why it is believed that baseball activities will automatically return to the field in question. Observation by myself and others during the 2-3 years PRIOR to Dog Park designation reveals that the field was seldom utilized by baseball kids. VERY SELDOM. Yet, we know that the current site is utilized by dog owners DAILY, all year long. A response to this observation/question should be explained in such a Review.
There is no doubt in my mind as to the good-faith attempt by you and others to facilitate a win-win result for the entire community (including our dogs!) — and it seems as though all stake-holders are beginning to get ‘on the same page’ in terms of timely, accurate information.
Thanks for your dedication to this important community issue.
We went twice on Saturday: in the afternoon to see Azetca del Sol Mariachi (extremely talented) and the dancing horses (a first for me: WOW!)- and then for the Little Joe show at night. WHAT A FABULOUS CONCERT! Even though it was a relatively small crowd, he sand, he rocked, and he made some wise comments about the ridiculous new AZ immigration bill. His parting words were, “Do not be oppressed!”
Everything- the bands, the grounds, the vendors and the facilities- were professionally presented, and I wish more folks were there to experience and appreciate it.
One suggestion, though, for next year: improved signage. I live here, and it took me awhile to find it!
As an owner of 3 dogs who consume an awful lot of my time and affection I am very interested in the Dog Park debate. We take our dogs to the park twice a day when at all possible. This morning was a beautiful Globe morning and in the 30 minutes we were there 10 furry friends shared the park. Last evening 5 dogs were chasing each other around with us.
Having said that, I am always aware when we are there that it is, or was, a baseball field. If it is truly needed for a ball park for children then I do not have a problem turning it back to that use. However, we do need a dog park. We need it for our own community and for the RV travelers and visitors to our area. We now have 3 RV parks and plans for 2 more. These people travel with their pets and their money. They will stay longer in an area where they feel that they and their pets are welcome. The dog park committee, my husband being one of the members, has adamatly rejected the Pioneer Hills site. They are representing the feelings of most dog owners. I do not feel so strongly. Money is tight for many of us right now and a site already owned by the city and already fenced is a plus. If the city is willing to help and work with us I feel we should listen. There is much more to be discussed and I hope everyone involved will keep a cool head and an open mind and get this resolved. One question I have is whether or not the Pioneer Hills neighborhood wants us there. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
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Jim Moss’ article is right on target: vote racial profilers out of office now!
Problem is: we don’t have a party to vote into power that will heed the voice of the people who voted them in: the Obama administration promised comprehensive immigration reform in its first year. On May Day 2010, after more than a year of Obama’s inaction on his promise, hundreds of thousands of us marched in more than 100 cities in the U.S. against ICE raids in Latin@ workplaces and communities, against deporations, for immediate regularization of immigration status for all, against ‘guest’ worker programs, against I-Verify checks and for comprehensive immigration reform and all we’ve gotten is more of the same.
What the working people of the United States need is an independent labor party beholden to no one but the people who vote for it, not to corporations, oil companies (e.g. BP) and banks that are ‘too big to fail’. Only an independent labor party will, ultimately, wrest power from the twin parties of tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum and put it in the hands of miners, smelter workers, teachers and other union workers who stand in defense of their rights and of their immigrant sisters and brothers regardless of their immigration status.
Yes!
Here’s my speech. Fossil fuels are fuels formed by natural resources such as anaerobic decomposition of buried dead organisms. The age of the organisms and their resulting fossil fuels is typically millions of years, and sometimes exceeds 650 million years.
So here is my NEW RULE concerning fossil fuels: If you don’t believe in evolution and you don’t believe the world is millions of years old, you are not allowed to vote, drill, lobby or profit from the capitalistic, greed-filled free-for-all of fossil fuel getting and selling.
If you do profit from something you deem ‘not in line with our biblical beliefs’, you are either investing in a fairy tale, or you are making money off of ‘satan’s big lie’….both which are beneath you. Fossil fuels are only usable for those who believe in Evolution…everyone else has to use apples, burning bushes and fig leaves. In that order.
Check out the recent piece in the Courier-Journal in July 2010 (https://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100705/NEWS01/7050312/Behind-the-Bars-Experts-question-benefits-of-private-prisons) which outlined a few discrepancies stating among other things “…since the mid-1990s, according to researchers at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, ” several studies, have questioned the private prison industry’s claims, especially with respect to cost savings and security.” The payscale for Private Prison Guards is closer to $8 – $10/hour , NOT the $33,000 being touted by the Emerald Companies – and no where near the rumored $47,000 which is a figure floating around the local jail house.
Thanks for unmasking the paid-for ‘experts’ of the private prison industry.
It really is shameful when defenders of a point-of-view KNOWINGLY recite the phony research statistics and talking points of industry insiders.
And, it is disappointing when elected officials depend upon this phony research to justify votes on important resolutions. Sometimes this happens unwittingly…….it is a matter of failure to conduct due-diligence. That can be forgiven if & when the elected official acknowledges his/her error, and fixes the mistaken vote.
Unfortunately, some officials choose to hold on to misguided, inaccurate information…….why? Perhaps stubborn pride, arrogance, ignorance, or political expediency….
Thanks for reprinting this June 30 Silver Belt piece.
The silver lining in the private prison debate…… the bright light shined upon a very basic problem surrounding the EDC.
Any entity funded with taxpayer dollars that is not completely transparent and accountable must be terminated.
Ask any taxpayer/citizen.
I was startled to hear that the city of Globe is considering investing in a private prison enterprise for the Globe Miami area.
Although the promise of jobs is certainly attractive- as is the expansion of the tax base,a couple of points in the proposal raise alarm bells for me.
How likely is it In the current economy that a prison will be able to provide both of these benefits? In a time of contracting state budgets, is it realistic to believe that a prison (which taxpayers have indeed invested in by floating a bond) will fill with prisoners- either federal or state? How long will the city be servicing the bonds it is expected to float? And what happens if for any reason the prison fails to happen? Will the city be left with bond debt and no additional revenues to service it?
Is the Old Dominion Mine Park in Miami AZ.?
It’s basically located across from the Chamber of Commerce on Hwy 60 between Globe and Miami. The entrance will be where DeMarco’s Restaurant is and you just follow the road up the hill.
The AZ Department of Corrections called me this morning to set the record straight on my statement that the RFP had been canceled “because the State did not need the beds.” NO, says DOC. They simply pulled this RFP to allow them to re-write the criteria and will RE-ISSUE THE RFP to the same parties “in about a month.” The DOC representative indicated the new criteria was a result of what happened in Kingman, but he was not at liberty to say what the new criteria would include.
This clarifies two KEY issues:
This issue of a private prison locating in GLOBE is Far from Over. It is more important than ever to have the Globe City Council recind their invitation to site a BIG for-profit prison in this town.
And the fact that the DOC called on my article in GMTnewsnviews, indicates they are focused on this area.
Hmm, It is hard to tell if the Globe City Councilmen/Councilwomen are listening. If not maybe a recall or two is in order.
Frankly, we don’t want ANY prisons in Globe- private or otherwise. The Mayor/Council Members talk of jobs as being important, but a man I met today- who worked at a prison- told me, “You get what you pay for, and those guards are at the bottom of the pay scale. Think about it.” A minimum-wage guard with a GED who is responsible for approximately 34 prisoners- the average at for-profit prisons… where violence between inmate on inmate and inmate on guard are out of control…… And private prisons have a 50% turnover rate- look it up, folks. The info is out there.
And while I’m sure there are folks who are seeking employment in Globe, if ‘senior’ guards, company men and others are transferred here, how many real jobs would there be? AND WHO WOULD WANT THEM FOR LONG?
Perhaps we should task the EDC to pursue small manufacturers; small to mid-size firms who produce a quality product with 30-75 workers- because let’s face it: most of the ‘big’ jobs- cars, furniture & clothing go overseas. The days of American firms opening huge factories Stateside are over.
Therese Hicks wants to (perhaps) open a small company here? HELP HER OUT. And find more like her.
Globe has plenty to offer. Private prisons are bad business any way you look at it, and the City Council wants to
shrug their shoulders helplessly, saying it’s probably inevitable? Let’s see some spine.
My father and uncle both worked at the mine, Ambrose and George. Both were from Briber which I believe to have been Yugoslavia at the time of their birth. George suffered from what was diagnosed as miners TB and died at Globe.
A few years ago I came to the mine with my oldest brother, oldest sister, a nephew and his wife and one of my daughters along with one of my grandsons. We were given a private tour for which all of us still surviving will always be thankful. I have been back one more time since. On that trip we donated some type of safety award given our dad to the museum across the street from the mine.
My dad was taught to be a tombstone cutter in his home country and cut one stone in the USA this was for his brother George. We found this stone at the cemetary at Globe. We were overwhelmed.
Since that trip my last two brothers and oldest sister have both died. As a family I believe we are coming back to Globe at least one more time and find the article about the park very exciting.
This trip we will probably stay at the Noftsger Hill Inn and am looking forward to making contact with any or all of you to thank you for your efforts.
Louie Kaliman
Tacoma, Wa.
I believe one of my relative’s son worked there. He listed it as his place of work on his draft card. His name was Joel Allen Gibson. He was a hoisting engineer. Wish I could find out more about him.
Cheryl
Beautiful. Thank you.
what an interesting article – unfortunate though Helen or Les High were not mentioned.
L.A. High
If there were errors of omissions, they were mine. John Michael submitted 13 pages of story, which I had to edit down to 1000 words for this particular issue. Since then I have heard from others about their memories and hope to add their comments here. Or in a future story. Do tell… who are the Helen and Les High you mention? It would be great to add to the story on this blog, since it keeps all the stories together. If you’d like to tell me the story in person, call me. 928-701-3320. I also heard from a waitress, who is now in her 90’s, who worked at the Copper Hills for 13 years. I plan on visiting with her next week. Sooo many good stories came out of the Copper Hills…they could fill a book. Please share.
I’ve finally come to terms with my imperfect life and now look upon it quite fondly. It took just a mere half century!
How special that Ralph was thinking of you when he laid that row of tile. And thank you too for sharing the story with all of us and hence keeping Ralph’s memory alive.
Wonderful~ and heartfelt… that is why I love the quilts with the stuffing coming out of them. ~It just means that they were loved even more!! ~I miss Ralph too, thank-you for the sil story… lovin’ u!!
Jim Moss said it best when he announced, “We have done our homework”. He has provided
an amazing amount of documentation on why private prisons aren’t right in general and are
specifically a poor choice for small communities. He has gathered this information through
a tremendous amount of research and fact finding. This is called due diligence, and it has to
be done- and has been done by him- before one can truly see the big picture and the consequences
which will ensue. Here’s hoping our elected officials and those at the EDC are listening.
At least you should look at thecca360.com web site and get a second point of view. Journalism is to be balanced and at least getting the other side of the story should be in the cards.
Got some additional press on our fight from a national watch dog site. See: https://arizonaprisonwatch.blogspot.com/2010/11/globe-city-of-hospitalitys-field-of.html
Some readers may have missed the link that bushbrowser was trying to provide so here it is:
https://www.thecca360.com. Happy to provide it, although I would argue that this does little to provide an un-biased look at the company or the industry. It’s a Big Press release. Give us some outside information – not funded by CCA.
Here is the response by the Texas watchdog group which covers CCA and the industry about this site: https://www.texasprisonbidness.org/scandals/feeling-heat-corrections-corp-launches-cca-360-respond-critics
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131191523&ps=cprs
Another NPR investigation. Good. Toward the end he talks about the issue of Private vs Public prison guards, and says his experience is that there is more contraband and drugs in private prison because the wage scale is sooooo low that the guards are tempted to supplement. Does this sound like something you want in your neighborhood?
Dang, Darin. I had to look up “excoriate” in the dictionary.
Fry’s has a nice array of Hanes socks, undies and undershirts. I understand Hanes socks are made in North Carolina.
Well written. I live in Mesa but find myself drawn to drive up to Globe for no reason at all…just to be there, at least 4 or 5 times a year. I buy local, and think it’s great that others are sharing their like-minded opinions, keep it up!!!
Sincerely,
Laura Hamlin from Mesa.
What a refreshing meeting at the State Capitol yesterday!
It was refreshing to speak with elected officials who understand the democratic principles of representation and respecting the voices of their constituents.
This private prison issue here in Globe should have been resolved shortly after Sept. 13, when citizens opposed presented a compelling case to Globe City Council. At that time, 1000+ citizens had signed a petition asking Council to pass a Resolution opposing any prison project for our community. Instead, the half dozen or so local officials advocating a private prison dug in stubbornly, ignored citizen opposition, and attempted to confuse the public. This sort of response from local ‘leaders’ is quite inexplicable.
I have always believed that substantial ‘people power’ could stop any prison project. What was refreshing about yesterday’s meeting at the State Capitol, was hearing the emphatic statements from State officials that validated my belief. The AZDOC, nor State Senators, have any interest whatsoever in siting a prison in a community where there is substantial opposition.
If there was ever a community that has demonstrated substantial opposition — it is Globe.
Globe does not need these kind of jobs. The average salary of $43,500 is OK but we do not need people working. Will the state take our other prison away? Send it to Show Low or Superior they need the work we don’t. Good job Terry.
Think about this for a second. The local jail pays guards $29,000. The State Prison starts them out at $31,000. The Private Prisons who SAY they save the State money by spending less money to incarcerate prisoners necessarily pay LESS than State-run prisons. I suspect you are getting your $43,000 from the private prison operators themselves? That would be called a sales-pitch. The facts simply do not bear out. Guards at these facilities make LESS MONEY and have little or no training.
And while we’re on the subject…companies from Freeport McMoran to Walmart have a terrible time filling job positions! Not because of a lack of applicants. But because no one can pass a drug test. And we think we’re going to staff a prison with 1000 inmates and $13/hour guards which will come from a job pool which has baffled Walmart? And this is a good plan?
Yeah, greeaaat plan!
Forty-three grand a year is a fantasy – it looks good on paper, but makes no
sense when one looks at the bottom line of the Private Prison Promoters,
which is filling THEIR pockets and their SHAREHOLDERS pockets with filthy lucre.
Glad to hear that Allen, Pearce & Ryan are hearing the will of the people,
because it seems the Globe City Council still isn’t listening… even though
we’ve been speaking LOUD & CLEAR since April.
Every time I hear that story about the family with the broken down car, it gets embellished. As far as Danko’s generosity is concerned, it is more overbrown than factual. I suspect that the family, of Mexican decent, was scaring away customers from the Copper Hills as, unfortunately, a lot of prejudice still exists in some of these small towns.
Danko had to get rid of them somehow. What better way than to fix their car so that they could leave. He put them up overnight because it takes time to do transmissions. If you want to call that generous, fine. He was generous when he benefitted also.
Like the time he poured money into his sister’s deteriorating house. He supposedly did this to “help” her. Of course, an important detail in this altruistic act was the fact that his name was also on the deed. How it got there is open to speculation as the secret died with him. If someone tells me that he would have spent the money on repairs and improvements without his name on the deed, then I would have some prime Florida real estate to sell them.
I received a telephone call one evening from a local hospital. It seems that our generous benefactor was slow in paying his hospital bill. Apparently they thought maybe some of his wealth rubbed off on me. Well, I redirected them back to the rightful debtor. Apparently there is no glory is giving large amounts of money to people you owe.
In fact, the more insistent they were, the more resistant he became. He even went to the extreme of skillfully avoiding arrest in the State of California in order to get out of paying some traffic tickets.
Obviously, Danko was a complex man. He was, by no means, a tightwad. I ate and slept at his house, as well as at his hotel and restaurant. He once had a chance encounter with my dad (his brother) in downtown Phoenix. During their conversation, he gave my father a $100 bill as a gift. Later, my dad gave it to me.
So I tell it like it was, both the good and the bad. To his surviving family I say this: You know where you can find me. Also, I’ll tell you this: When I was alone one night shortly after his death, I wept (God is my witness).
Bill Gurovich
Ever since we posted this story in the paper and on-line I’ve been inundated with people who have their own “Danko” story to tell. They have pulled me over in the street, and phoned me to share their stories. Most – come with a smile for the remembrance. Maybe a wink and a nod when talking about Danko’s shenanigans. Unfortunately, most of them aren’t computer savvy so their comments don’t make it to this format. I appreciate your comment for it’s contribution to the full story of the man. Undoubtedly, he was not a saint. But he left a big hole in the community when he was gone. Something they are still talkin’ about.
Love your way with words, Darin…
“…and the ‘Glamour Safeway’, on US 60, where I pretend I’m in Sedona, shopping for prosciutto and melon).”
LOL
“A step back in time” is right. There was nothing ‘paper or plastic’ about this dining experience while watching the scenery roll by.
The food looked ‘magazine perfect’ and was excellent! Thank you to the entire Copper Spike crew for re creating this tasty rail journey!
Great story! I have all my old ones and my mother gave me a buch of old ones too! All those we made thru the years have wonderful memories also.
Man oh moan! I inherited the family ornaments. There were some beauties! My favorites were / are the horns. Tradition has it that each time that they are unwrapped and before they are hung, they MUST of course, be “tooted” ! There was an airplane, (totally fantastic) and several others. A couple of years ago however, I made the mistake of putting them on the tree when we had a kitten in the house. There was a chase and a crash and, well, a LOT of tears and cursing. The tree leg broke and it fell down, taking several ornaments with it. Some were saved, but many were lost.
Really lovely article, Darin. I was home in Michigan last Christmas and got to pull out that box with the yellowed tissue paper and exclaim over those the 1950 glass delights!
I had a hard time relating to DL, but I felt a real connection with Darin in this article.
Out of the 350 postcards sent out how many responses have actually come back? I have talked with approximately 40 people who are local citizens and they don’t have any objections to the private prison coming in.
Perhaps we need a group that is for the prison coming into town so we can have some fair and unbiased reporting and facts gathered. Anyone want to join that committee?
Hello DCOX.
Your information above is incorrect.
Actually, over 350 post cards from registered voters have already been returned. Just ask Councilwoman Uhl. She had the opportunity to read over a hundred comments, from the post cards returned from voters in her District. And, thus far, we have mailed post cards to less than 1/3 of Globe’s registered voters! By the time we are finished, we estimate that we will have over 1,200 signed post cards from registered voters in Globe — exactly the same number that voted for Mayor in the last election. We have just begun!
Additionally, we have gathered over 2,000 petition signatures. And, here’s a startling number — guess how many post cards were mailed back that had a PRO-Prison comment? ONE, yes — precisely ONE. We will be happy to share with you, just as we did with Mr. Charles Ryan, Director of AZDOC and Senators Allen & Pearce.
No doubt you have spoken with 40 people who do not oppose a private prison coming to Globe. So have we. Approx. 20 of those are local officials, EDC Members etc!
However, the important point is that a substantial portion of our community (such as @ 25 merchants on Broad St.) are opposed to a prison project. It is past time for elected leaders to LISTEN to their constituents, and it is time for the EDC to focus on bringing true private enterprise projects that will contribute to the quality of life of our community.
Oh, and finally — please prepare a list of specific concerns, challenges etc. to any of the information we have published or distributed over the past 5 months. We stand by our facts. But, we are also willing to make any correction to the record if it is warranted. Please, show us your specific concerns. Thank you.
I appreciate the comment back. I have talked to over 40 people in town who were not related in any way to the EDC or to local officials, although I’m sure you have talked to many more than I have. I did take the time to read your notebook that you passed out previously and frankly that is what encouraged me to talk to the folks that I have. Albeit, I greatly appreciate the hard work you guys have put into this, I do disagree with the information you passed out to the general public by way of that notebook. I personally felt that it was a scare tactic designed to get the exact response you were hoping for. I also did share that notebook with at least 4 other business owners in town, who did have the same reaction I did. The original notebook did not give any kind of unbiased information to our community. Most of the articles weren’t even about prison systems in Arizona. I have heard a number of rumors in town as well. I had another business owner in town say that they saw children signing your petition at the fairgrounds. I told this person that I found that extremely difficult to believe, since I do believe that you and others like you are truly trying to do what you think is best for our community. I strongly believe that this whole thing needs additional research and have taken it upon myself to do just that. I will be happy to pass along my findings as information comes in. Again thank you for your dedication to your project and I do admire you for the work that has been done, I just don’t believe that all of the correct information is coming out. I will look forward to speaking with you and blogging (first time blogger) with regard to the information I am currently waiting on, in addition to the conversations I plan to have with local law enforcement, as well as the areas in our State that currently have private run prisons.
Jim…Linda was kind enough to pass on the invitation for reviewing the cards, etc. I would definately like to take you up on that; however, I would first like to get the information back that I have already requested from various sources so that we can have a conversation with the info that I am attempting to obtain. Thanks again, and I look forward to an informative evening.
It is startling to think that a child is lurking somewhere in Globe who may have (according to rumors) signed a ‘Stop the Private Prison’ petition at the County Fair! We must find that blessed child and bestow honors!
During the past 5 months, a handful of pro-private prison folks have criticized the now famous ‘Notebook’. Yet, not one critic has stepped forward to provide objective research or reporting that rebuts any of the information we assembled. Good luck.
The purpose of the Notebook was to assemble factual information and informed opinion that exposed the for-profit prison industry for what it truly is. The truth about this industry, that has emerged over the past several decades, reaches far beyond Arizona.
Additional research is always a good thing — just google: “for profit prisons” — follow hundreds of links from an endless variety of sources — spend a hundred hours or so (as I have done) engaged in research —- NOT industry propaganda or private prison talking points.
Frankly — I am not too interested in ‘re-litigating’ the entire debate that has been happening here in Globe during the past 5-6 months. No offense, but you are a bit late to this party.
By the way, I understated the total number of ‘post card petitions’ from registered voters —- the number is actually 500, and growing daily. We invite you to stop by for just a brief visit to see these post cards and read the hundreds of citizen comments — powerful stuff! No reason to wait! Come on over, and bring a City Council Member!
Finally, again I emphasize the important point — a substantial portion of our community is opposed to a prison project — for all kinds of reasons. Given this reality, it is time to redirect energy toward attracting positive, true free-enterprise projects.
Isn’t soliciting signatures from minors unlawful? At the very least, most states mandate that only registered voters can sign petitions that effect government issues. Also, would it be possible to have a list of citations for the information in your notebook? Since you stand by your facts I’d be curious to know of their origins.
AZGIRL,
Your information is quite incomplete. You have jumped to conclusions, and are enabling the spreading of rumors.
The writer above, DCox, acknowledges ‘hearing rumors’ —- then proceeds to spread them! Rumors they are!
The ‘petitions’ at the County Fair are NOT ‘legal’ documents, in the same since as a ‘referendum’ or ‘recall’ petition that must carefully conform to a legal statute. The ‘petitions’ local residents signed at the County Fair and other places around town, were INFORMAL documents that expressed a specific sentiment about a proposed prison project. The PURPOSE of the petitions is to demonstrate the extent of citizen opposition. To my knowledge, no ‘child’ signed a petition at the County Fair! However, we did distribute hundreds of ‘NO PRISON’ stickers to anyone, young or old, who wanted one! To spread such rumors is, well……. silly to say the least.
Regarding information in the Notebook…… solid as a rock! Call me and I will present you with a ‘Notebook’ — and will be happy to discuss every single source (most of which are contained in the Notebook) —- and would love to show you all of the original petition signatures —- and most importantly, the ORIGINAL ‘post cards’ from registered voters that contain hundreds of powerful comments! Just call Jim at the Pickle Barrel Trading Post 425-9282.
Have you googled: “for profit prisons” yet? Have you engaged in just a few hours of independent research? If you do, I am confident your questions about our ‘Notebook’ will be answered —- and then, perhaps you will want to join the @ 2,500 (and growing) local residents who have signed a petition opposing a private prison for Globe-MIami.
Jim:
What rumors? I asked a couple of questions to the person who seems to have the most information on the situation. I have seen the notebook and am not curious about that level of information. I’d like to see the links and citations to the original material you’ve used so I can make an informed decision as a voter. I’m concerned that asking to see your work means I’ve jumped to conclusions and warrants your defensive posture.
In these posts, I do not see anything but people asking questions – and who are met tersely that the time for such discussion has passed or that they are spreading untrue rumors. How does asking questions do anything other than clarify the situation? To echo the concerns being voiced, the mere possibility that children might have been included is something that should be considered socially coercive and warrants concern in my mind, not celebration. As a resident, I don’t believe this conversation is over. That does not mean that I support the proposal, but that with the exception of an unfortunately short article regarding the very real, significant and practical issues facing the area in regards to local water availability and sewage infrastructure, it remains that many of the arguments that I have seen made are more in the nature of “A Raisin in the Sun” protests or presumptions of the worst possible scenario. This, instead of maintaining a balanced and reasonable presentation of the entire situation. It seems that instead of building community awareness and cohesion, there appears to be more caustic comments coming from the no-prison camp aimed towards our local government, leaders and individuals within our community than I have seen from them and others among us who acknowledge the possibility of a prison happening – even if it is not the desired outcome. As I stated earlier, I am not in support of the prison project, but as long as there are still questions and possibilities remain there is still discussion to be had on the matter.
Having seen the original notebook, I looked for citations for the origins of the mass of photocopied pages that filled the binder and was unable to find many if any at all. I was also unable to find any indication of the copyright holder’s permission to reprint such documents. Further, the poster asked for their answer here, and I don’t think it is out of line to ask for you to do so, especially in this light. And while the Internet is a wonderful potential resource, it is also full of editorial and should not be treated as fact. So I will second the earlier request, and ask that you list your sources here for the material included so that myself and others, as individuals, can read the material in its’ original and complete context instead of in a condensed and partially annotated format. And I would prefer to do that in the comfort of my own home where I can compare studies at my leisure, not a commercial setting as you suggest by visiting this store, having one side present their arguments to me in the absence of any counterpoint. Is that unreasonable to request? And before you ask yet again, I’ve done a fair amount of reading (including perusing your notebook), reviewed the potential issues that can easily occur in private prisons (as well as state-run facilities), and I don’t think that a prison is the right type of ‘industry’ for this area to pursue. But that has nothing to do with the people associated, the families and employees that would come with the project as has been suggested elsewhere, but the damage that such a project would do to the ability of Globe to sustain itself well into the future.
If asking questions is equal to spreading rumors, then we are already in worse shape than I feared. There is room for questions and analysis while the subject continues to be an active one, and those voices should be encouraged, not stifled; it is disheartening to see a relatively negative response to someone who asked valid questions. First, regarding the nature of your “petitions” and the lack of disclosure or process. It is in quotations, since these documents would be invalid in the legal sense, given there is no oversight regarding them. One could as easily get as many signatures at a college with a title sheet for lower tuition; there is no way to know how many of your individuals were relevant to the discussion as registered voters in Globe. Second, about the substance and origins of the materials being presented on your behalf as those have not been provided readily in print or online. It further concerns me that there is no disclosure of this fact in the statements made earlier regarding the situation at hand.
One last point I would make is in regards those members of the Arizona State Senate featured in the original article. Senator Sylvia Allen seemingly believes that the Earth is 6000 years old (https://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/06/arizona-is-6000-years-old/), while there is historical evidence of no less than three thriving civilizations on three different continents developing, horses were being domesticated, and the plough was already in use at that time. Senator Russell Pearce was discharged from his position as the Director of the Arizona MVD due to tampering with state records and has been associated with various white supremacists and hate groups over just the past five years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Pearce). While I would not base any judgment upon these select pieces of information only, I think it is equally important that any readers be aware of any questionable backgrounds of those whose help is being sought at the state level.
Please respond with your arguments, as I am interested in seeing how those selections are presented in their original context, and the knowledge base from which the authors of those articles drew upon.
Dear Observer: As editor and Globe resident, I am responsible for the information listed on this site. Although I am wholly opposed to the Private Prison proposed for Globe having done my own research, we have posted both sides of the issue in many cases, including the 4-week debate showcasing both sides, with Bob Zache representing the EDC’s response in supporting a prison. As information surfaces regarding the track record of Arizona’s Private Prison system, we have listed them here. It seems they would be relevant to residents considering whether to allow one to build here.
There has been alot of information disseminated in 6 months. What is it, exactly that you feel needs clarification? Happy to provide resources or citations, although I think most posts have referenced these.
Your point about sources is important. A majority of information cited by those who support this project have come from the Prison company themselves. That hardly seems like independent research. Much of our information comes from watch dog groups and independent reporting from Channel 5 KPHO, or the Rachael Maddow show, or news reports from other states who have reported issues with these kinds of facilities.
Regarding the “children” issue, I’ve heard this comment twice now, and all I can think is that it stems from a photo I posted about the Citizen’s Opposed booth at the Gila County Fair. Considering hundreds of local residents stopped by the booth, chatted, signed their name to the petition and grabbed stickers…it’s not so surprising that stickers showed up on young and old, and everyone in between!
No matter what you or I think about Russell Pearce and Sylvia Allen, they are our State Leaders, and as such, influential in either siting a Prison in Globe – or directing it elsewhere. Pearce is a proponent of private prisons and if you believe the NPR report, he helped to draft Arizona’s legislation for SB70. Fact is, he will be influential on this issue of Private Prisons in the State. And part of the democratic process is you work through channels. Going to the legislators and having our opposition heard at that level was good ole American Democracy at work.
And this bit of news just in on Russell Pearce by the Phoenix New Times. Good reporting, as always.
https://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2010/12/russell_pearce_shakes_down_sco.php
I’ve been waiting on responding here, as I have been waiting for a response from Mr. Moss and trying to provide him with a reasonable amount of time in which to do so. Indeed, Ms. Gross, as publisher and editor you are responsible for the information published on your site; here I have only asked Mr. Moss to provide his sources for the publication he supplied, as well as the relevant permission to reproduce those works. That is all, as I was unable to obtain a list of citations for that information when I reviewed the “Notebook” myself. As I’ve said, I do not support the prison project in any way so I am not sure where your comments regarding information supporting the project were aimed. For information regarding that argument, I would contact the relevant companies and those individuals who are supportive of such a project, just as in these efforts to understand aspects of the no-prison argument I am reaching out for information from those who are its’ leading proponents’. I would be hesitant to say that your sources are not equally vested in their own position. I still have questions regarding the purpose of the petition, as without safeguards in place there is no way to ascertain that any of those signatures were from individuals with legitimate interests or more representative of the political nature of those who were present when the opportunity to sign presented itself. It is one thing to claim that you have the signatures of 2,500 registered voters in Globe or Gila County and another entirely to say that you’ve collected 2,500 signatures in opposition to the prison project, which is what would be more accurate based on what I have seen here and heard in regards to the rather open manner that signatures were accepted. If there is evidence to the contrary, then I welcome the opportunity to review it – but I don’t believe that I should be coerced in order to have access to that information, or the resources used in producing the argument made against a for-profit prison. One last observation: while Mr. Lowery and Mr. Moss appear in large font on the right side your website, Mr. Zache’s name is absent; so is any reference to the EDC or SGCEDC, leaving the combined absence of reference material contained herein remarkably conspicuous. When I searched for him, I found his articles taken out of context and addressed in a selective manner; I do not consider this to be posting both sides of the issue in a fair manner, but positing an editorial response to his articles that were written in another paper. If Mr. Zache had been an active participant in the discussion, it would be a different story, but at no time does his name appear other than in small citations within the article itself. As a result, it does not seem that a balanced discussion has taken place but that a platform established to share a specific opinion on the situation. Even in agreement with not having the prison here in principle, I still have issue in that the manner in which the conversation has happened seems more like a loaded gun instead of handled in an even fashion, and as a result those who might have had an objection or observation are instead discouraged from even making the attempt for fear of reprisal.
Regarding Pearce and Allen, it may be a matter that between us, I do not agree that the ends justify the means, especially in this case. More to point, to hitch one’s wagon to the same horses that enacted some of the most questionable legislation in Arizona’s history (and that’s saying something) in SB70 is not something I’m comfortable with. That is another discussion, though, as we get into the roles of the state versus the role of the federal government. The article you cited is a prime example of political malfeasance, regardless of whether it has been considered acceptable procedure or behavior in the past. If the argument is sound, as the water and sewage argument appeared to have been with concrete figures, projections based on a variety of different usage models, and an unbiased viewpoint, then I have no problem with it. While I’ve seen some information regarding the effects of property values and crime rates (in aggregate) and would welcome more in depth and complete information, I have not been impressed by comments made by no-prison proponents that suggest that people associated with for-profit prisons are inherently inferior instead of sticking to the relevant data. Something that has gone unsaid here is that this issue is being given a NIMBY approach; rather than address the laws and individuals responsible for creating the need for another prison, the problem is simply being pushed from Globe to another community. That doesn’t sound like responsible behavior to me, and it concerns me that it is acceptable with some people to pass this off to another location.
To simply things, why not provide a bibliography as well as a list of other sources utilized? That way, a private individual such as myself is able to make an well-reasoned decision for ourselves. While we are not in disagreement on the issue, I am concerned in how it was handled and where some of the information came from as it appeared more intent on filling the reader with fear than with information.
Step from behind the curtain into the sunlight and I will be happy to respond in great detail.
No identity = No accountability. I for one, am not interested in that sort of dialogue.
Your comments (‘An Observer’) are ‘way off base’ from start to finish.
In the meantime, just google: “for profit prisons” or “prison industrial complex” and do your independent research.
Each & every local official & citizen is welcome to evaluate/examine ALL Petition signatures and Post Cards — as Mayor Shipley (to his credit) did last week. We have nothing to hide. Just call 425-9282 to set an appointment.
This is a public forum, Mr. Moss – and as such, whether it is my own name or a pseudonym is not relevant, since it is the content of the discussion that is significant and not the individuals who are making them that are important. From what I’ve read thus far, you do not appear interested in any sort of dialogue as your comments have consistently dismissed the opinions of others without substantiation while also refusing to answer the questions being put to you. What were your sources, and was authorization given by the authors? Given your background in education, I am surprised that you do not recognize the importance of and necessity for a bibliography and getting permission to reproduce material written by others before distributing it. If my comments are off-base then why have you said nothing in response other than to keep repeating to search Google? As I’ve said previously, I have done my own research but I’m always interested in getting as complete a picture as possible before making up my mind on a subject. Is there an issue in asking you to provide your sources? And given that it appears that there has not been oversight in regards to this ‘petition’ that has been circulated, is it appropriately disclaimed on the document itself to make that clear to both those reading it and to those signing it, whether they be private citizens or public officials? While I appreciate the effort made in asking me to come to your place of business, I don’t have any interest in doing so. At the risk of repeating myself, I am asking you to simply substantiate yourself in public by requesting your sources so that I can independently research them myself. If I am off-base, then I invite you to publicly answer and explain why. If you have nothing to hide, why have you continued to refuse and evade such simple and direct requests?
To this point, the best argument made against placing a for-profit prison here would be the same reason to argue not to put another State facility or other commercial undertaking of the same scope: doing so would put such an undue demand on the local infrastructure (water and sewage) that it would ultimately destroy Globe’s ability to continue to grow and evolve over time. If the numbers provided were accurate, and to this point they have been consistent with what I’ve found elsewhere, then there is no reason for the discussion to continue as to keep on that path would ultimately be self-destructive.
Oh please, step into the sunlight! Identify yourself (An Observer) — then, I will be most delighted to address ALL of your ‘observations’. As long as your identity is anonymous, your words really can not be taken seriously. You obviously have something to hide. No transparency = No credibility.
Until then….. google: “Israeli Supreme Court bans for-profit prisons” — to learn what the Supreme Court of Israel, a capitalistic democracy, thinks about for-profit prisons. And, check with the EDC to see the latest social science research (which we provided) out of Washington State University —– “The Impact of Prisons on Employment Growth In Rural U.S. Counties” —- the BIBLIOGRAPHY is ten (10) pages! ! —- All documented and sourced — just like ALL of the other information we have disseminated!
To ‘An Observer’… are you plant, vegetable or mineral?
It’s difficult to take anyone seriously when they can’t even put their name to what they say and how they feel…
it’s a simple part of engaging in an open and honest dialog. I put my name (and my picture) on everything I stand for…
maybe there’s some risk involved, but how else will I stand up and be heard and understood?
Join the club, Kiddo, and come forward!
Wow, all I did was ask for some citations so I could do some further reading. I had no idea I was asking for so much and that it would cause such rancor and push back. I will say this, while I still haven’t gotten the citations I requested regarding the information being handed out so I can make an informed voting decision, I have certainly gotten a clear picture of how Citizens Opposed truly regards the citizenry and their concerns. As I don’t think Jim is ever going to tell us where he got the information he’s used to create this grassroots movement, (other than a vague, “the internet” answer), I won’t be returning to this thread.
One last thing, as to demanding for people to give their names online, this is an identity theft security risk. Continually badgering people to give away identifying information online is called Phishing. And it’s illegal.
Poppycock, AZGIRL! — Whomever you are!
Your argumentative points simply have no basis in fact — whatsoever.
All information we have disseminated has been sourced, referenced, most of which contains bibliographical citations — just like the 2010 social science research referenced above in my last posting. Your accusations are ludicrous.
Regarding anonymity — if both parties to a conversation are anonymous — fine. BUT, for one party to remain behind a veil and hurl false accusations at the other party who is standing out in the open — well, is that really a level playing field? Sure, it is my choice to be transparent — identity known — AND, it is my choice to refuse to interact online with those who act like the Wizard of OZ (as in behind the curtain).
Adios. I’m going “Phishing” — you know, I’m getting ready to identify myself by clicking the ‘SUBMIT’ button.
In reply to Mr. Moss’ and Mr. Lowery’s comments above – Thanks, but no thanks. My personal privacy is important to me, and something that I will continue to protect. That you are interested in being the figurehead(s) behind a movement you believe in is perhaps to your own credit, but it is not of interest to me and certainly doesn’t make it incumbent upon me to do the same. No one made you register under your own name, and nothing requires me to supply that information either. If someone chose, they could easily take one of your images, your name, and post under your guise saying anything they please, anywhere they like – being in that position is not something that interests me. What should matter to you is that I am a long-time Globe resident and a registered voter… not whether I am a potential customer or my position in the community. I will thank you, Mr. Moss, for the single source which you have chosen to provide, but I am thoroughly disappointed that you are either unable or unwilling to publicly provide a complete list of your resources. Despite your continued insistence, the ‘notebook’ that I read did not contain a bibliography so that I could refer to what you excerpted in its’ original context, much less any indication of permission given to reprint. As an individual, I don’t believe you speak for me as a citizen, and the manner in which you treat people is certainly something that I would not support under any means. As a resident, I am embarrassed by the behavior of Mr. Moss in his exchange with others and myself in this thread – people have asked questions of him, not hurled accusations. No answers have been forthcoming. I appreciate the opportunity provided to ask, nonetheless, and will continue to discuss the matter with others and make up my own mind.
Where is the responsive leadership? The careful due diligence?
Local elected officials and the EDC President persist in pushing their private prison agenda. From the very beginning of the private prison debate, this handful of City and County Officials have refused to carefully consider the evidence, and have refused to acknowledge the widespread citizen opposition.
Arrogance and willful ignorance are not attributes of good leadership. They must be held accountable.
Great article- and here’s the update: we’ve been collecting signatures right and left, and
the petition drive is going extremely well. We can always use some help, though-
readers can sign petitions at the Pickle Barrel or United Jewelry, and if you’re
civic minded and want to make a difference, please volunteer to carry a petition
and get some signatures! Call Darin at 200-8553 and we’ll set you up in a heartbeat.
Thanks one and all- now let’s get this issue settled once and for all!
poor citizens of Globe. i was visiting your fair city as i love the small town atmosphere, historic buildings and charming people i run into; not to mention the food. everywhere i went i heard the good people speaking of “the prison”. prison says i ? why would the city want to put in ANOTHER PRISON ? (there is a facility run by Arizona Department of Corrections) right down the road. it used to house low custody inmates, sex offenders and hardened criminals (not all the same time).
if you read about the “Private Prison” Corporations, you will find , they place them mostly in middle and rural America. (ya know , kinda like out of the way where the citizens are too ignorant to refuse it). The BIG corporations say there facility is professionally run with strict guidelines and professional staff. HINT: there are a lot of private prison employees who have CRIMINAL RECORDS outside the county they are employed in. Do you want that sexual deviant, dog killer, drug user driving through your town and shopping at the same stores your children shop ?
look at the facility in FLORENCE AZ. when 3 inmates escaped. there have been more escapes , but the ones who searched for the escapees were County, State and City Police. all at a cost to the citizens. a Bill for services was later forwarded to CCA.
the corporation will say that “THOUSANDS” of jobs will be introduced into the area. HINT: when construction starts , the awarded architects will be from out of state, the construction company will be from out of state with a few “laborors” from local companies added. The Professional Staff will be lateral transfers from out of state and the few that get hired from the local area’s (Mesa,Casa Grande) will not be pleased with the lack of housing and travel time getting to work which makes for a disgruntled driver speeding through the school zones.
Private Prisons are a warehouse and are big money makers for their own profit, not for the profits of Globe citizens. HINT; sure there will be monetary donations to the little leauge and girl scout troops but it’s all for show and tax deductable to boot.
HINT : all the inmates that will be housed there will be from out of state (Hardened killers from Hawaii, gang members from California) or maybe “immigrants” awaiting transfer back to their homeland.
I applaud the citizens who want to make the right choice for the city they live in by refusing to accept the facility and at the very least have the voters decide by placing it on the ballot.
HINT : ask the citizens of Eloy, Florence if there have been any improvements to their lifestyle or cities infrastructure. I guarantee you they will SAY NO.
I admire what Mr. Moss and the people against this proposal have accomplished. I happen to be for the prison but I feel a vote on the issue is what is best for Globe.
Congratulations on all you have achieved thus far.
well said Linda
YEEEEE-HA !!!
“Sabotage” ?? “Playing Games” ??
We are fortunate here in Globe to have Mayor Shipley and our town council as it stands. They have done great things for our community and many of us applaud their efforts. It will be a real pleasure to have the opportunity to vote for them again in a few months time.
Thank you Globe town council.
One of many un-named supporters.
And by the way, let me address the anonymous question. I advertise with GMT. I shop at Mr. Moss’ store and many others including Simply Saras and Mr. Palmers bakery. I would like to keep it that way.
The stupidest move this town did was not allow that private prison this is why this town will die because there is no money
I’m with what you say Tom. We are dying a slow death.
I agree wth you Tom. Prison town…hahaha we have a prison. And a jail. I don’t feeel like a “prison Town” To all the ones who tried to help bring in this opportunity I say thank you.
I certainly hope the Copper Spike Excursion will be allowed to continue under the new railway owners. Opportunities to experience train travel are becoming more and more limited outside of the major East Coast markets–so having it available as part of a historic tour make the trip even more special.
Posted with permission for Carl Southard who posted this comment on FB.
The Copper Spike was the greatest thing that I have ever been a part of, I was introduced to Kip Culver by my mother several months after coming out of a month long coma, I was still having balance problems, but helping to restore the little depot became a rehabilitation for me, both body and mind, and most importantly working with Kip Culver showed me what it meant to belong to a community, to be part of something that I can look back at with pride for the rest of my life.
When the Copper Spike was running at first from the little depot, I would man the depot selling tickets and such, in between runs I would go next door to the laundry mat and try to see it as a train depot, as it was described to me by some of the local folk who had seen it for themselves back in its day. When Kip Culver got the Historic Globe Main Street Program in and the laundry out is when the work got going on the train depot itself. Since it was all volunteers doing the work, getting the people all free to work on it at the same time was not a easy task, Kip worked so hard on all of it.
Alot of the restoration when on Saturday’s and Sunday’s, as the train was running I was manning the little depot, making me miss alot of it, I still got to get my hands dirty there, but watching it from next door almost made me want to cry!
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You can tell a lot about a town, they say, by looking at its architecture. No doubt, the old County Court house is Globe’s crowning jewel, as the heart of Gila County’s seat of government. But when you think about it, historically speaking, if the County Seat is Globe’s heart, then that train depot is the dorsal aorta, for surely our cultural life flowed freely through it for some time. What other town would think nothing of having an active railroad track run down the center of the street in front of their City Hall?
The Copper Spike reminds us to look back and reflect on our grand past of affluence and boastful hope in the American Westward movement, “Go West, young man. Go West!” We can use that hope in these troubled times.
I have many memories in that old building. I worked in the old train depot during the days that Greyhound Lines leased it. I was just a kid of 14 -16, but I was old enough to work alone planning itineraries, selling tickets, meeting the arrivals and departing buses, handling the freight and baggage, and sending Western Union telegrams and money orders. No, it wasn’t in the “glory days,” of the train, but the spirit was still there.
Kip Culver understands feels this spirit too, and has worked hard to keep that artery of life open, not only by restoring the depot back to its former grandeur, but also in promoting the Copper Spike Excursion. True, it increases the local economic flow through tourism, but Ah! There’s nothing like a consistent train’s whistle to resuscitate Globe’s “can-do” spirit! Don’t you agree?
JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE “two sons of the Salas family are responsible for La Santa Cruz de la Globe to be recognized as a National Register of Historic Places.” ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAD PLAYED A ROLL IN THIS. THERE ARE THE NAVARRO BOYS WHO ARE THE ONE’S WHO CARE FOR THE CROSS EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR. ALSO ALL THE FAMILY’S OF THE THE 11 FRIEDS OF Rosalio Salas.
WITH ALL THE BLESSING FROM THE HEAVENS ABOVE, IS WHAT MADE THIS HAPPEN!!!!
Hi Dawn. THANKS for adding to our outline of La Santa Cruz de la Globe and including others who need to be recognized. It IS a testament to the many who came together to do this. Thanks again, L
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Concerning the article above on vintage mannequins, I would appreciate very much a little info. on these. I have a vintage boy sitting mannequin that I bought for $250.00 in the 1990’s. Now I would like to sell him and I don’t know where to start. Do you have any ideas? I live in the East Bay near San Francisco, CA. I would appreciate any information you could give me. Thank you so much. Sincerely, Lorraine
I love hiking round mountain. We like to pack lunch and take our family (5 kid total) and hike and have our lunch at the picnic tables near the top. If you haven’t been to the top, it should definitely be on your bucket list, beautiful view.
What a beautiful tribute to Velma. It is so very difficult to say goodbye to a pet. Velma will always be in your heart and the love you had for one another is strong & pure. As the days and weeks pass, her spirit will continue to surround you with love.
Darin,
I am so sorry to hear about Velma. What a great way to honor her life. I needed a kleenex.
Our dogs are an extension of us and our feelings. Funny how my dog likes someone I don’t and
how he doesn’t like some one I do. Go figure. They say trust your dog. I am still trying to figure that one out.
Love you and talk soon.
Our thoughts are with you, Darin. Velma was lucky to have you.
My deepest sympathy to Mr. Lertique’s family and friends. My daughter and I were at the library 2 weeks ago “renting books” as she calls it and she asked him if we could live on mars, He said, so serious, We do live on mars!! What a wonderful sense of humor he had. Just yesterday we took flowers to my Mother at the cemetery and she asked her usual 4 year old questions. One being, “On your way to heaven Mommy can you stop by the planets and stars”? I told her “I didn’t see why not”! We will soon be returning our books and I know she will ask where the Library man is? I will tell her, “He had to go to heaven”. I smile knowing she will say with bright eyes, “I bet he stops at Mars!” Mr. Lertique made a Wonderful impression on me and my daughter, and I am forever grateful for that!! He will be greatly missed!!
What a terrific couple! We met them– and some of their friends and family– at the Pickle Barrel.
Great photo of a truly sweet pair. Congratulations and many happy years together!
Thanks so much for the sweet note, Darin! We love coming to visit the Pickle Barrel anytime we’re in town, so hopefully we’ll see you again soon!
Angela
The railroad was the ‘Gila Valley, Globe and Northern’. Too bad the link to Denver was never completed.
I’ve never been more conscious of my nationality than when I lived abroad or traveled to other countries. It’s easy to forget about until you suddenly find yourself being processed through an immigration office or introduced to someone as an American rather than someone from Phoenix or Arizona. And in many countries, “being American” doesn’t make you popular. Take your pick, from our foreign policy to our dark history, not everyone is fond of us “Americans”.
Nonetheless, it was during these times that I developed my deepest sense of what “being American” means to me. There is no guarantee I would have the same appreciation for diversity, my eclectic taste, my love of nature, or be as independent or as adventurous as I am had I not lived my unique experience here as a U.S. citizen.
I realize my experience is just one out of a sea of experiences I could have had. I have a “Japanese” and a “white” family. My parents divorced when I was eight, and I was raised by my father. Ours was a non-religious household. I grew up in Sacramento, named the most diverse city in the country in 2002 by TIME magazine. I lived near beautiful landscapes I was free to roam with a bike or a car. I had access to food, electricity, clean water, a roof over my head, an education, and all the resources an urban upbringing could afford — and what so many of us take for granted — at my fingertips.
Yet in my travels, I’ve met elderly persons who have never stepped foot outside their hometown, and women who have spent the majority of their lives covered head to toe. I’ve met people who have lived through civil wars, and dissidents who fear for their safety.
Had I had been born in any other country, their experience could have just as easily been my own.
To be an American means to be yourself – true to your past, your present and your potential. It means to respect one another for being him/herself. If amenable to others, it means to be able to constructively and appropriately communicate about differences in a way that encourages future dialogue. If not amenable to others, it means to be able to accept that differences exist and to not try to change others to our way of thinking or mode of living.
To be an American means to be loyal, strong, brave, responsible, and above all – and without exception – to be a person of deep and unquestionable integrity. Certainly these are all elements of what it means to be human; because our nation’s people are composed of people from all walks of life, from every land of the earth, from every belief system.
To be an American means to be blessed with the opportunities to learn, to freely speak and assemble, to worship (or not) in the faith of one’s choosing, to find fulfillment in a self-chosen profession, vocation or field of study. It is to be free to make mistakes and accept their consequences; it is to be empowered with responsibility to learn from the past, live in the present, and prepare for the future.
Thank you for contributing, Maryn. How valuable it is to be able to communicate our differences and respect them.
More than twenty years ago, two weeks before my wedding, I was forced to cancel the ceremony because my fiancé was shipped overseas. On the day I would have been married I struggled with the idea that I had to give up my husband for the sake of another man’s freedom. It was on that day that I began to recognize the sacrifice our forefathers made to present us with the freedom and independence we have today. Eventually my fiancé did come home and yes, we did finally marry….and that country he fought for does have a certain level of freedom and liberty than it did before.]
Being an American means that we honor those who sacrificed with life and limb to gain the freedom and independence that we enjoy so much today. Each of us enjoys the freedom to live our lives according to our own choices. Many would suggest that our nation has lost their way as they have sought to challenge our rights to certain freedoms or to remove our right to privacy. I can’t help but to look at the creativity and ingenuity that comes out of this nation as we engage in the pursuit of happiness. Our freedom to worship God in whatever way that we choose elicits not only a search for truth, but also a sense of contentment within those who believe they have attained it. The establishment of a democracy gains every American a voice toward the progression of this great nation. It is the free exercise of that voice that presents America with the independence and liberty to go where their choices have taken them. This has given America a natural flow of creativity and talent like no other nation. The variety of music and artistic abilities demonstrated within our nation leaves me feeling excited and proud to be an American.
Thank you for sharing your story, Jodie. I’m glad to hear it ended on a happy note. I agree that our creativity and ingenuity in this country is astounding.
An American is a Muslim, an Atheist, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Jain, etc. An American is correct, incorrect, gay, straight, left, right, black, brown, red, yellow, white, generous, greedy, happy, depressed, angry, loving, sick, healthy, addicted, and recovering. I thank God, am an American.
“What it means to be an American is less about who you are than what you are about… how you live your life, how you contribute to this country, how you pledge allegiance to a flag hoping and praying it will make room for you. What it means to be an American is in the hearts of the people who, in their struggles and heartaches, in their joys and triumphs, fight for America and fight to be American every day.” (Jose Antonio Vargas)
James, I agree it is about how you contribute to this country and that covers so many walks of life.
It wasn’t until I lived in a houseful of international students in the 70’s and 80’s that I even began to identify as American. My extended family became students from all over the world who came to Kansas State University to study agriculture..and found their way to my mothers’ boarding house. We had a big, rambling 17 bedroom house filled with students from Nigeria, Germany, Korea, Iran, Nicaragua, China, Ethiopia, and India. It was living with students from other countries that I began to learn just how many freedoms I took for granted having had the sheer luck to be born an American. Freedoms including free speech to criticize the government without being jailed or banned for life or have my life threatened and access to education which was given to me without having to ‘earn a spot at the table’. And a belief embedded in ‘Being American’ that whatever circumstances you are born in to you can still carve out your own future and make your own success in this world. That’s always been our strong suit. I hope we never loose it.
I’ve worked with people from other counties that have made me appreciate being an American more. We are given unlimted opportunities to make our lives successful. People risk their lives daily to try to get those opportunities.
How do I go about ordering a poster. I wont be able to attend the show as I have a car show in pinetop the same weekend and have already committed to that?
Hi Kevin: I’ll set it up on the Eventbrite Site so you can order a poster, without purchasing a ticket. Check it out late Monday and I’ll have that done. Sorry you can’t make the event! ~L
Our dad, Ramon Rubalcaba, Sr. was one of the contractors that built the structures at the new drive-in. Our dad and Mr. Frank Hollis were quite the pair. I even remember when Bobby was born. Frank and my dad were friends throughout my childhood, growing up in Globe. Our dad did many repair and construction jobs that the two of them collaborated on. As a kid, I worked for Mr. Hollis on many of those repair jobs, I spent many weekends at the Alden and Globe theaters. Mr. Hollis would pay me with movie passes…that was awesome..growing up, I never paid to go to the movies, and even through high school. I always took friends and Frank would tell us…”buy lots of concessions,” which we did! One weekend I came home from college, and helped mix cement, move some brick for the then new drive-in. I believe my brother Abie also helped quite a bit, he was still in high school at the time. I hope I can get a ticket so I can be part of the celebration (and attend driving our 1967 Chevy Camaro..what a blast from the past…!). I will be sorry to see the end of the drive-in era for Globe.
Ramon! That is such great information! Do you have any family photos from those early years that you’d care to let us share with readers! Would love to have you attend in your ’67 Chevy Camaro. It’s going to a Big ’60s night of fun! ~L
I’ll check with my bother Abie and my sister Mary, when my parents passed away, we sold the house and we all live elsewhere in Arizona..but close…I remember someone having pictures of the new drive-in as it was being built…no cellphones back then…ha…ha..I do have many fond memories of the Hollis family
Appreciate you looking for pics. It would be awesome to beable to share those.
It is sad that the Drive-In is closing, and wonderful that you all are celebrating in such a 50’s/60’s manner! I am sorry that I will be thousands of miles away and won’t be able to attend. I’ll just have to pretend that I am in the trunk of one of your cars, sneaking in without paying. But as much as I think that “American Graffiti” is a great paean to the drive-in movie, wouldn’t it be even more appropriate to show Peter Bogdanovich’s “The Last Picture Show”? From the first time I saw it in 1971, I thought, “THERE is a film that reflects the town I grew up in!” Jacy: “Not here. I’m too old for screwin’ in cars. …. We’ll do it when it’s safe. We’ve got all summer.”
Hey Bob, we actually thought about doing “The Last Picture Show”, as well as “Midnight Run” which was filmed mostly in and around Globe. We couldn’t get ahold of those films! And in the end it was decided that American Graffiti, which is celebrating it’s 40th Anniversary THIS year would be a fun theme to build an event around and give all of us baby boomers a chance to re-live the ’60s! Have you checked out our Pinterest page “where were you in ’62?” I had forgotten some of the fun memories from then. Remember Rowan and Martins’ Laugh In? https://pinterest.com/globemiamitimes/where-were-you-in-62/.
I know you said you didn’t do facebook, but take a look at the link. It will bring back memories.
I wasn’t even born in 1962. 🙂
Ahh , but it is still a great decade to celebrate! So if you had to choose, what WOULD your favorite decade be to celebrate?
a gleam in my daddys eye.
Made me laugh out loud. As usual, thank you for a good, entertaining read, Darin.
Loved it! Very funny, but the message isn’t lost on anyone. Thanks!
I have known Gertie for years…My husband & her husband Louie were good friends.. We have all camped & fished together and eaten and watched home Movies….even raising our children together. WE kept in contact unjtil 4 years ago when my husband passed usually stopping in to visit once a year.
She is a wonderful and gifted Craftswoman & I have seen much of her work over the years…she presented me both of her dolls (like the ones shown above) as personal gifts. She has been a wonderful friend over the years and I feel blessed to have been considered her friend.
Jane will be sorely missed. She was a warm, vibrant woman who brought so much to so many.
Globe-Miami has lost a true champion.
What a super nice, wonderful person she was. I know that she will be surely missed! Thank you, Jane, for all you have done for our community. Thank you for helping my Girl Scout Troop #1961 earn their Bronze Award. Thank you for helping Cub Scout Pack 777 by letting us have a flag ceremony at the Senior Center. Thank you for all your sweet smiles.
This woman I have never met but know so well in the last couple of days left our world much too soon. It is overwhelmingly obvious that she gave so much strength and hope to those in need. Her passing has truly left a scar on our community. Jane, I hope that you not only can see us from the place that you are in now, but that you will also continue to enrich our lives from a better place.
Our hearts are aching for Jane’s loved ones and for this community which has lost one of its “angels”. Jane was such a special and unique, caring person. She was a very accomplished woman, intelligent and knowledgeable about art and history, but it was her heart that shone with kindness and compassion that we mourn. What a loss for us all!
Jane will be remembered for her tireless work on behalf of the senior citizens of Globe and Southern Gila County.
Oremus: Let us be eternally grateful fto our Lord for the gift of Jane’s live of friendship and her Christ-like service. I am the resurrection and the life, saith the Lord: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Amen. Requiescat in pace, Jane Johnson Eck.
You will be greatly missed, Jane. I will never forget our small talk…I always looked forward to seeing your face 🙂 You were a sweet and caring woman that I will always think of!
Jane was such a giving soul. She will be very missed. She gave so much of herself to her family and this community. She touched so many lives. Our community will never quite be the same from the loss in this horrific tragedy. I am grateful to God that our lives were granted the grace of knowing such an amazing, lively woman. The fine people at the Adult Center were so lucky to be graced with the many talented gifts she was able to bring to them and all the wonderful blessings through Christ he allowed Jane to serve our community with. We were so blessed to have had her in each and every one of our lives. I ask God now to be with her family in their struggles with the grieving of her passing. As there are just no words. I ask God to ease their heavy hearts. She will be always remembered and never forgotten. I am so sorry to the entire Eck Family for your great loss. My prayers are with you.
Oh my Goodness.. My Dear Precious Precious Best Lifetime Friend Jane..
We have been BEST FRIENDS.. Sisters Forever.. I can’t imagine my Life without you in it..
Our Treasured Memories Together are Priceless.. No one Shared in FUN and LAUGHTER as the two of us..
My Heart is Sad and a hole will Forever be as no one else can replace yu.. Tears.. Tears.. Heart to Heart..
It didn’t matter if we got busy with Life and hadn’t made contact for a time.. time never lapsed in our Friendship..
Words were not needed to show our LUV.. one for another.. we knew what the other thought and felt at any given moment..
The LORD was the center of your Life.. Classy Lady.. Serving God’s Children is your Legacy..
“When Ye Have Done it Unto the Least of These My Brethren.. Ye Have Done it Unto Me..”
Luv ya,
Best Friend & Sis Forever
Oh My Goodness.. My Dear Precious Precious Best Lifetime Friend Jane..
We have been BEST FRIENDS.. Sisters Forever.. I can’t imagine my Life without you in it..
Our Treasured Memories Together are Priceless.. No one Shared in FUN and LAUGHTER as the two of us..
My Heart is Sad and a hole will Forever be as no one else can replace you.. Tears.. Tears.. Heart to Heart..
It didn’t matter if we got busy with Life and hadn’t made contact for a time.. time never lapsed in our Friendship..
Words were not needed to show our LUV.. one for another.. we knew what the other thought and felt at any given moment..
The LORD was the center of your Life.. Classy Lady.. Serving God’s Children is your Legacy..
“When Ye Have Done it Unto the Least of These My Brethren.. Ye Have Done it Unto Me..”
Julee you were the Sparkle in her Eyes…
Luv ya,
Cyndi
Best Friend & Sis Forever
My heart is breaking for my best friend and her family. A beautiful soul was lost because of an evil one.
We’ve known Jane and Bob since they started building their beautiful new house up the road from us. We used to meet once a month with our other neighbors, have dinner and discuss what was going on in our lives. I will miss those times together. Nothing is fair about how things seem to go sometimes and Bob will need a lot of support from all of us..
Beautiful caring Lady to be missed by everyone who knew her, a giver not a taker. Always smiling and willing to help in anyway.
Jane was a wonderful woman – energetic and enthusiastic about helping others. When I began working as a volunteer coordinator for RSVP, Jane had just left her management position at the Red Mountain Multi-Generational Center in Mesa and had moved to Globe to become head of the senior center there. I still remember spending a day at Central Arizona College in Coolidge in a booth next to hers on campus – laughing and talking together. I was so blessed to have known her.
In ’62 I was split in two, my mother still seeking the other.
I was probably stardust, but if I happened to be born then, I would probably be Joni Mitchell’s younger sidekick.
Aunt Janie, I have so many great memories of you when I was little. I remember you always had a smile for me, even when you may have had to reach down deep inside to find it. I always would get so excited to come to your house in Mesa, and just watch you be you. I have always thought you were THE most naturally beautiful woman I had ever known and you always looked so comfortable in your own skin. You taught me a little something about that and for that I am forever grateful. You gave me a book to read 20 years ago or so, called Balcony People, and it has been read and reread and highlighted and loaned to my good friend who still references it to this day. I am reading it again now as it makes me feel close to you, I am not a “Balcony Person” yet, but it has taught me to strive to be better in all things and also that my actions are my only true possessions, they are the only ground I stand on. That memory, along with still (after 41years) sleeping on my Snow White and the 7 Dwarves pillow case you made for me for Christmas when I was 5 always remind me of the impact you probably never knew you had on me. I remember I thought I lost that pillow case a few years ago and I was devastated, but thankfully I still have it! I always look at it like a piece of you that I get to have forever. Thank you for being a part of my life and I can promise you that this world will never be the same without you, but you left it a much better place than you found it.
To Bob and Julee and all of Aunt Janies family, words do not express the sorrow and sadness I feel for you at such a sudden and tragic loss. I know that there is little one can say that will help, but when my Daddy died a good friend gave me a book that had the line “Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.” -Dr. Suess
Our family is still in shock. She was an amazing woman and made such a difference in many people’s lives. She will be missed by many. She is now an angel in Heaven just like she was here on earth! We love you. Jane.
I did not know her very well, but what I did know of her was she was a kind and gentle person, with a good heart! Your passing is a sad one for the moment, but knowing your now with our God and Creator is a comforting thought! Rest in Peace young lady!
I remember you well from school,Westwood High in Mesa.You were always kind and had such a sweet smile for everyone.I can still remember seeing your beautiful face and lovely long hair,you glowed.Even though I didn’t know you really well,I felt you were my friend.It is sad that you have left us,my heart aches for your family and friends……..but, I know you are in heaven with our Heavenly Father.You were a special lady Jane!! Your classmates love you so much!! RIP dear friend.
I was not born yet but I bet it was a blast.
I was barely born but somehow I “remember” the 60s.
I wasn’t born in 1962 ! But if I could choose any decade to live in I would choose the 1920’s or 1940’s, mostly because of the beautiful clothing ! (:
I loved the ’40s for the fact that people used to go out and dance to the sounds of the Big Bands. But the ’20s had alot of that too. And you couldn’t go out dancing in just anything. It had to have style!
I was barely 2 years old in 1962. Coming from the East Coast, drive in movies were plentiful at the time. It is really a shame that slowly they are closing. Although I suppose if more people went on a regular basis, instead of the high dollar theaters the trend would switch.
I just went to the Arboretum for the bird walk last Saturday morning and it was amazing!! There was such an abundance of beautiful sights to admire and nature experts willing to share their vast knowledge. I will definitely have to return again soon!
Agreed, it’s pretty incredible!
Our thanks to LeeAnn Powers who put in the leg work to look through old newspapers on microfiche and found these items for us to post!
It will be a true shame to see the Apache Drive-In close. After loosing the bowling alley, there leaves very little to do in this town, that spikes the interest of the younger generations. Sure we have the walk-in theater now, but lets face it, it’s just not the same. You would almost be lead to believe that Globe was becoming a retirement community, when our biggest attractions are the mining and antiques. It is just one more reason to move to “the big city”. With less and less to provoke young buyers to come to our town and establish a living, who else is there to continue “the legacy” of what was once a beauty in architecture and grand allure?
Tough question… A great one to bring up to the Chamber of Commerce and City Council.
I wasn’t born yet.
A very nice article ~ Delvan is truly a one-of-a- kind lady.
With the help of old Kodachrome slides that I am in the process of converting to JPG images my memory of those early 60 days is becoming sharper. My dad had his own business as a dental technician so He liked expensive things. We went to a boat show and decided to buy one of the ski boats on display a 12 foot G 3 Ski boat by Glastron it was powered by a 70 hp Merc outboard motor. To balance things out with Mom, Dad bought her a mink that she only wore a few times. That was the best part of 62
The most important clue to the JFK assassination can be found in this Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuF1u94cic
Thank you! I look forward to bringing this show to town!
James Garcia
Playwright/The Mighty Vandals
James, I enjoyed the earlier version of the play which I saw at the Hersberger several years ago. Looking forward to the full story on stage with this one! ~Linda
I will always love you jane just the way you were on the very first day we met on MacDonald Street. Many blessings and warm wishes and love you out to Morgan, Janice, Denver and Ann. I love you all and think of you as the family I never had. Love you all forever. L.
Very nice pictures Linda. Me and Scott and my son were there, lots of beautiful jewelry and artwork and of course the food was amazing.
Thanks Dani. Actually all the photos and the coverage were done by Jenn Walker this year. She does do a great job on covering events with her camera. I missed it this year since I was in Tucson last weekend, but it looks like there were some great performances. ~L
I really dig the portrait of Carrie Curley with sitting with her art and the action shot of Dinah Teh performing the bow and arrow dance!
Thanks Kenneth!
hello Selena, My name is Donna. I have been researching online any and all designers and dress makers. it is difficult to find someone who is willing to make an apache dress. MANY RESPOND WITH TOO MUCH MATERIAL. I love your story,dresses and your ability to see that modern skin tight dresses takes away from the culture and meaning of ones tribe. I have asked many who sew and they usually respond with ” why dont you wear a T dress?”, I am Jicarilla Apache and I have been dancing in the powwow circuit for over 20 years. I would feel uncomfortable to switch dresses simply because its the new fashion. my ancestors did not change because of fashion , why should I. I am excited to hear from you, I currently live in Las Vegas and would like to know if you plan on showing your designs here in this area or California. thank you for keeping the culture alive!
Hi Donna,
I passed your message along to Selina. Thanks for reading!
Take care,
Jenn
Hi, my name is Kathy Benavidez and I am of Apache/Mexican heritage. I love to sew and have made several camp dresses for different people. I made my first one for the first ceremony I was to be a vital part of and it was my only dress for twenty nine years. I finally bought material to make myself a new dress and I am looking forward to wearing it. I have made others for women who are beginning to explore their heritage and it has become important to me that they understand how and maybe why the women dressed as they did. I always say I dress this way to honor them, to keep their memory alive-it is a pleasure to dress as they did.
I am interested in either having a camp dress made, or getting instructions on how to make my own. Can anybody out there help me or give me pointers? Thank you!!
hello, i have been trying to find a website or contact info for dale and Claire. I have been searching for an Apache buckskin for 2 years. If you have this information i would greatly appreciate this. Thank you Donna Padilla
I had the pleasure of working with Fred Wesley on several occasions with some real “problem” horses. He turned them around in just a few sessions. Taking what I learned from him, I was to work with them and not get either of us hurt. In addition, I had quite a few lessons with him in the saddle. Improved my seat and my confidence.
Great lady, great story. One correction: “She frequently contributed her work to the Arizona Silver Belt, then called the Arizona Republic …” should be “then called the Arizona Record …”.
Thanks for the correction. We will make the edit in the article on-line. I remember Donna Anderson doing a piece for us several years ago about all the newspapers in the region and forget when the Silver Belt came into being. Better go back to her article and check that out. ~L
Thank you Johnny, I made the correction above. Much appreciated.
Thank you very much Linda it was a pleasure working with you and I hope you like the work we have done. Once again Thank you.
I was surfing net and frenutatoly came across this site and found very interesting stuff here. Its really fun to read. I enjoyed a lot. Thanks for sharing this wonderful information.
I am interested in contacting Selena? I want to have a camp dress made. Please share my email and phone number 209 298-5177 cell. Thank you Marla
HI: My family came from Globe from the 1880s to about May of 1976 when ‘Aunt Bell Taft” passed away. The Edwards, the Crawfords, Sawyers, Maldonado, Moreno, Kellners and others. Although most everyone, except the Edwards are now, gone. I’ve been in Love with Globe for both of my parents were born there and later I used to drive my ‘Granie’ in the early 60s to visit Aunt Belle & many other old friends. It was truly a labor of Love…getting out of Phoenix was nice and easy and Globe was always cooler. Dad got a Scholarship to the “U” of Arizona for Basketball & Football from Globe High and then into the Army Air Corps / USAF for 36 years….seldom looking back. With me, it has always been different, for I think Globe offers much to anyone ! So much family History here! THANK YOU,
SINCERELY,
Chuck
Thank you for sharing this article with us. It was beautiful.
I just read your Palmer Report for Oct. 28 to Nov. 3rd…as published in Globe-Miami Times, on facebook…wondering if your Palmer Report is only available via this site? I’ve apparently missed other reports via Globe Miami Times’ facebook page…..guess I’ve neglected to read the previous Palmer Reports via the G-M times posts on facebook.
the article is available on the Globe-Miami Times website and is also posted to FACEBOOK via StephenPalmer84.
I too remember the Keystone. When I was a 12 year old 7th grader in 1954, I was a Phoenix Gazette paperboy. To be more specific, Route 3 started at the old bus station at the corner of Highway 60 and Miami Avenue. I carried 27 papers at 35¢ per week, grossing $9.45. It cost me 5¢ per day to catch the bus back to the housing project. The bar on the corner next door to the waiting room had a great baseball pinball machine available for 5¢ a game and it was surprising how much I must have spent there while waiting around for my ride.
From there I headed for Miles Mortuary then to Adonis Ave where headed up the hill to the Miami Copper Co. My first stops there were to the management housing complex, the Almaden Club, the crusher, the hoist house and finally to the hospital. Ithen headed down the hill toward Sullivan and eventually back to Miami Commercial where my route ended.
My first delivery at the bottom of the hill was the Keystone Hotel located almost directly behind the side-by-side La Fiesta, La Paloma and El Rey restaurants. I never saw the inside because they woulnd’t even let me up the stairs! Instead, I had to ring the bell and wait for the madam to bring my 35¢ down to me. What a bummer.
My Dad worked for Mark Schwartz for years designing and building several jouse and businesses at the Country Club Manor deverlopment. In addition to Mark’s home he also built the Redwood Inn and Phil Sawaii’s cocktail lounge. My uncles Manuel Haywood and Bee Wilhelms both worked for my Dad as did my Grandfather Frank Morris.
On one occasion I heard Dad and Manuel talking and laughing about doing some repair and rewmodeling at the Keystone after a fire. The story line was that the girls at the Keystone were “so hot” they set the place on fire! Who knows how much truth there was in that coversation?
After the Keystone was closed a new hotel, the Copper something or other as I recall, was built on the corner of all places, Keystone Avenue and Highway 60 and became the new bus stop for service from the Globe-Miami area to the Valley.
The draft was still in effect and when we turned 18, all us guys had to register and have a physical which required taking the bus to Phoenix, being poked and prodded then hauled back home and released on our own recognizance. That would have been in 1960, the year I graduated from Miami High.
We all knew there was a brothel in the hotel but nobody admitted ever having been a customer there. We joked about it a little while we waited in the lobby for the bus when, low and behold, down the stairs came one of the girls who was taking a break. She had been one of our classmates at MHS! We all aughed and chatted with her for a few minutes before the bus arrived. I never saw her again after that but the memory still burns in my brain.
Yes, and the story i heard about people looking the other way, including law enforcement is that it ended when the new manager of the keystone had the audacity to advertise the business in the yellow pages. I believe that was in the mid-60s. That sorta in-your-face announcement of the activity made it all but impossible to ‘look the other way.’ Sigh. end of an era.
Hello, as I was doing some baseball research on my grandfather John L. Smirch catcher, baseball player for the 1925 “Douglas Blues” VS “Miami Miners’ game at Association park an exhibition game was played
Wednesday August 5,1925 Score Douglas -7 miners -0.
Does anyone have any information about purchasing a photograph of Association park in 1920’s era. in Globe,Arizona? Famous players that were on the field that date August 5,1925
listed, Joe Jackson, Hal Chase, Swede Risberg, Chick Gandil the banned White Sox later known as the Black Sox
Please call, John Smirch at 818-624-7510. Thank You.
I was born in October 1954 in Globe and then of course attended Globe schools K-12, graduating from GHS in 1972. I attended Noftsger Hill School for K-2nd, then I was sent to East Globe 3rd through 6th. My second grade Teacher was an African American Lady named Mrs. Moore. In those days young students (like 2nd graders) never asked about their Teachers background or given names, we all just assumed they were born Teachers and had no first name. (Obviously tongue in cheek) It is my memory that Mrs. Moore was a very good teacher.
I recall that upon returning from recess one afternoon she had arranged the desks in such a way that my desk was a sort of store counter and we played a game of Store with me being the clerk. It seemed like an honored position but I quickly realized the Clerk had to do all the Math of making change. I had to make change for the rest of the class until I made a mistake then another student took over as the Clerk. I still think that was a very good lesson for learning Mathematics and obtaining an understanding of how money is used. I think many students in many grades (not just 2nd graders) could learn from that lesson. I do not ever recall anyone making any racial comments about Mrs. Moore, to me she was my Teacher. Why would we (her students) question, her abilities, she seemed pretty smart to us. I am now 61 and retiring from a career as an Electrical Engineer so apparently I did learn a few things about Mathematics and I still have very fond memories of Mrs. Moore and my 2nd grade class at Noftsger Hill School. Not being aware of racial issues when I was in 2nd grade I hope Mrs. Moore felt as welcomed in Globe as a teacher and an individual as I feel she is endeared in my memory and welcomed in my heart.
Dave Marley
GHS class of 1972
Loved the article, with the exception of the comment that it took two contractors to tear down the old Miami High School because it was so solid. I came on the school board after the first guy left. He absconded after getting paid. We went to court and it went to the ninth district court of appeals where Miami lost because they had overpaid on the pay schedule. Then we had to hire someone to finish the job.
The legend is out there that it was too tough to tear down and as they say in the movie Liberty Valence,If there is a myth and a legend, go with the legend..
Hi L! Thanks for the comment and information – so interesting to hear more details of the story. The comment came straight from Tom Foster at Bullion. Sounds like this is a sidelight to Miami history that could use some looking into!
I agree! My Mother Graduated in 1946 and she said it shouldn’t have been torn down.
Love your article. I was raised in this small town and learned some great history from u today. I’m writing a blog where I was raised and stumbled upon your article and I’m glad I did! Thanks for the good read.
I have lived here all my life & am still awe struck by the beauty, history and the people in the Globe – Miami area!
Additional information regarding the FLLW Project in Globe-Miami may be seen on our Documents Page
https://www.globemiamitimes.com/documents-frank-lloyd-wright-school-architecture-globe-miami-project/
My brother works as an assistant county coroner in Butler County, Ohio, north of Cincinnati. It’s an upscale suburban community that has an exploding Heroine problem. Hundreds of twenty-something kids, many with college backgrounds, have access to high-quality heroine at low prices. Young people are dying…He tells me that the heroine dealers are doing classic marketing, introducing lightly cut “horse” at low prices, and then gradually decreasing the purity and increasing the price per dose. It’s crazy. Watch your youngsters closely! this is a serious issue!
How about basic journalism and tell us where Washington Park ? Perhaps located 20 miles north of Payson and 20 miles east East of Strawberry would give the reader a better idea ? SMH
Thanks Mike. Yes, we will add a map as well.
This is such a great article! Parents need to realize that the toy companies are a business and not out there for their child’s best interest! Thanks for sharing.
wow nice
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Before doing the Prolotherapy I would establish that we are dealing with Plantar Fasciitis and not some other condition that is causing the heel pain.
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Thank You for your question
Glen N. Robison DPM
Very inspiring ….
Wonderful story. Includes some real Arizona history. The old Globe cemetary holds many colorful individuals. Andy Hall is one of my favorite stories, lives through Powell’s first trip through the Grand Canyon to die in the Pinals during a mail robbery.
Many unsung tales except for local records or as recorded by Globe history.
This is my Aunt and Uncles house. We have started a GoFund Me page to try and help them rebuild. Judy and Sparky’s fire rebuild fund
Any help for the Parkhurst family is truly appreciated. m.gofund.me/vkmp9p-rebuild-fund?rcid=f8e774cfdb9845c89ba1843cf47a428c
Great to have found this sight. Hope to visit your city.
Is it not the responsibility of the school as well as bus driver’s to see to it this child gets on the right bus? My granddaughter can’t get on a different bus without my permission. Irresponsible if you ask me
Joe Skamel and Lee Ann Powers,
I was recently in Globe and visited both the Gila County Historical Museum and the cemetery. I have many family and past businesses ties to the Globe/Miami area. While there I saw my paternal grandfather’s headstone in section 18, row 3, lot 72. My maternal grandfather’s grave is listed in the Globe Arizona Cemetery Inscriptions book, page 192 should be in section 18, row 3, lot 69. In that location is a headstone of a less than four year old child having been buried eight years prior to my grandfather and yet the child’s lot number is 69-A. Very curious! I contacted the Lamont mortuary, previously (father & son) Jones mortuary, and spoke with very helpful Pam. She said that Lamont’s only record was a funeral sheet stating that same information. She was technically unable to forward it to me as it was on a very large sheet, 14 inches. If either of you have any ideas that I could pursue I would very much appreciate it. Please contact me directly by email with any information or questions/details. Thank you for your consideration, in advance.
Is the 60 still open in globe to show low
Yes it is.
Was not hackney hill was hackney
Very clearly observed and stated.
This country needs_ absolutely must have_ better government than this. Citizens like you, Jim Moss,are part of the answer.
Hello, I found this post when researching the Miami and Globe area and wanted to leave a message in case anyone has any information they could share. My grandfather was a Miner for the Miami Copper Co back through the 40’s. He was in a bar fight and as a result died back in Feb of 48′. I do know the bar was called Van’s Canteen but cannot find any information on it. I was wondering if anyone had photos or more information they could share. Also my father attended 1st grade at that time in Globe at a School called Osborn Grade School and cannot find information on that either. You can contact me at: brianpasadena28@yahoo.com , thank you.
My wife Tina and I met Gary by pure accident and found him to be a wonder person who has been a great person and glad to call him a friend and a good hearted person. God bless him. They broke the mold after God created him. What a truly great guy.
Henry, I completely agree! Gary is a sweetheart!
Thank you for a great article…I am heading there this weekend. My great great grandmothers first husband was Andrew Hammond not sure if he is the one mentioned that dug the first grave or not. I am truly amazed at how much knowledge is shared and help given to those of us looking for our ancestors.
Hello Patricia – thanks for sharing such a great summary of dysphagia. Many people miss mentioning the danger of aspiration. I work in the food services department for a group of nursing homes so this is a topic I stay on top of. Pneumonia from aspiration is deadly. Steps must be taken to prevent these folks from getting choked while eating. So, we take the consistency of any pureed foods very seriously so that the patient gets a nice smooth bolus of food that simply slides down without much work at all.
I thought there was a small station in Miami that was just off the highway on the right side of the road coming from Phoenix
There is.
I started collecting carbide lamps a year or so ago and now have over a dozen.
Recently purchased a force feed Hansen, but need a reflector for it. Can anybody help?
Great series! Thank you, Kim Stone and Dominion Firearms!
I thoroughly enjoyed this, born and raised in globe-miami😍
Thanks Brittany. Yes the music with the images of the area make this a good piece, especially for someone from here.
Apologies to Leslie and others who marched this year to Oak Flat. You make a valid point: this is a significant local event and is something Globe Miami Times would typically cover. Yet neither I, nor my staff of freelancers were around to cover the story this year as we have in the past. Again, I regret not covering it, since it appears there was less coverage this year than in the past by all media. For reader who want to know more, I would suggest this piece written in 2017 by John Washington for edible Baja Arizona which does an excellent job in outlining the importance of the annual march. see: https://ediblebajaarizona.com/whats-stake-oak-flat. And we will strive to do better next year. Linda Gross, Editor.
Thank you so much for article on AHA / Pinal Cemetery. My grandfather, Andres Magdaleno, was a miner who lived in Miami & was killed in underground mining accident in 1942. He was 43 years old & was buried in this cemetery. Do you know what will happen to the cemetery?
Rita: Thanks for your comment and prayers for your uncle. The Pinal Cemetery remains a challenge to maintain since it is largely owned by several private entities which do not have the resources. The County was there today with a crew of nearly 20 volunteers and did clean up – but more needs to be done. Please stay in touch and we will hope for a solution to this problem. The cemetery represents so much of the local history and lives which built this community.
Hello, my Grandfather and Uncle are buried at Pinal Cemetary. I came to try to find them but I could not. Oct 1929 us when they were buried there. One passed on Oct 8 and the On Oct 5. They were miners from Pitcher Ok. They came to Globe to try to heal there lungs, but they both passed just three days of each other, double funeral. I do have some new inf ormation on my Grandfather, but Iam not sure they have head stones or if they both do if you can still see inscription. I am coming back to Pinal to look again. It’s something I just need to do. My mother Grandmother and Aunt would Love for me to find them,
… And the school … “On a Hill Above Miami, Stands the Vandal Hall……” (Miami High School-1918), demolished by greedy people, no longer stands. Shame, Shame, Shame. A magnificent building, strong, sturdy… 1918 — a solid building, could be, being used today for the benefit of all the local and surrounding communities, and could be, on the historical site of Arizona buildings.
You are so right! I was in the last graduating class on the hill class of 1967 it was a shame a great building and also a great gym
Was there ever a Burbank Hotel in Miami, Az ? I cannot find any history and was told an antique piece I purchased (1912) came out of the Burbank Hotel in Miami, Az.
I’ve lived in Globe many years but this will be my first year to try the Home Tour. How many homes are visited?
They tell us it is 5-6 homes. Plus there will be a Cemetery Tour (tickets purchased separately), and Holy Angels Church will be open as well.
My husband & I came to John’ restaurant frequently & watch hockey. We sure miss Your cooking. Let us know if you’re cooking again. It would be worth the drive.
Best Wishes
Walt & Maria Kovaleski
Some ‘good news’ for Broad Street!
My Grandfather Pedro Limon and great uncle both are buried there and I believe my great grandmother is there too. Its so sad too see that the cemetery is such bad shape ,but it does comfort me to know that there are people who care and are trying to do something about it. Great story by the Globe Miami times
Thank you Andres.
The “US 60 CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL CAMPAIGN” is a great program – it should be an ongoing effort – not just for two months.
Thank you for sharing this report and thank you Mayor for taking the time to share the happenings of our city. I appreciate your hard work for the betterment of Globe.
Did they also come to Globe?
I don’t believe they did. We just got information on this and it seems the group was concentrated in Miami only. Looking for an update from the IDA on this in the future.
So so sad, I absolutely adore P.P.L and I find the best stuff there!! I’ll need to go stock up on as many pairs of their sandals as possible and her gorgeous tunics too!! 🙁 it’s a sad night for me now!
Wow Thea. I’m so proud of you. God has blessed many people through you.
Very good article. Are the burial records digitized ?Can anyone look at them
What are the future plans to preserve this cemetery
I live in Payson and would be willing to participate
Ron McCulley. rjmc1967@yahoo.com. 303 829 4073
I would like to be a part of this site,I live in Claypool.
My uncle worked at the mine near Seneca. He walked many miles to and from each day, winter snow, desert heat, he went to work. A faithful employee till it closed down. Sadly he died from lung cancer, mesothelioma, of course. I had other family worked there also. According to them, no one knew the danger of asbestos.
Anyone have one for sale? I’m looking for one…
Bryce,
I personally don’t know of any, but you might take a drive up there (about a 40 minute drive) or check with local realtors.
Kim
We have one we are planning to sell this summer. Call 435 215 7106 if you’re still interested.
My name is Gary Bell…
602-478-4193
Have been on that Mountain hundreds of times…
Would love to talk about your cabin
Did you ever sell your cabin?
In a few days, I’m coming to the cemetery to look for the graves of Apolonio Acosta 1851-1930 and his son, Trinidad Acosta d 1952. They were the grandfather and uncle of a friend. Is there a way to find out where to look for these graves? Other than close-up pictures on websites, I have nothing else to go on.
Thank you.
Good job, Jenn! The history of prostitutes in the Globe-Miami area is always interesting. Thank you for your thorough research.
The history of the Center For The Arts goes back to the early 1980’s. Many people with great vision worked hard to get this building, re model this building and give this building the life of art to share with all in this community.There have been many folks participate in growing this wonderful community place. Many participants have come and shared their talents and then moved on. But this place has always been an asset to the community because of the community. All were invited, young and old.
Since Kip has left us, much to soon, there have been those left to carry on the purpose. Molly no doubt has tried to keep the fires burning even with the other duties of her life. Her devotion is not in question.
What is in question is the direction of the executive board. They have a back room plan for the future of this Center and it seems that they want to cleanse the building of all that have come before them. How unfair to those of us who have treated this place like a second home. They need to be questioned! They need to be called out!! They need to hear our community roar!!! THIS IS OUR CENTER FOR THE ARTS and you can’t have it without a fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen to that auntie.
Ditto-
If they accept government money don’t they have to follow open meeting rules????
Sadly, no. https://www.azoca.gov/wp-content/uploads/Open-Meeting-Law-101.pdf
Closed door meetings? Shame, shame, shame!
It is time for the Mayor, City Council and the City of Globe to bring in mediation services in the CVCA executive board/board situation before the community loses the center.
This situation with the CVCA has to be resolved before more damage is done.
Thank you
Is this going to be open to the public? Are there any fees involved?
Yes. It is open now and the fees are very reasonable.
Hello my name is wanda. I was wondering if you guys buy rocks. I have a amithsty rock. It’s very beautiful.
Thank you to all of the parent that put on the dinner tonight! It was wonderful.
I’m looking for ANTOINO OLMOZ OR OLMOS. HE HAS A MUG SHOT FROM BEING DRUNK IN PUBLIC..MY MOTHER WAS BORN in MIAMI, AZ 1933 11/19 AND IM LOOKING FOR HER FATHER…HE WORKED IN THE MINES and I’m pretty sure he lived right across the chainlink fence from the mine.. I’LL SAY HE WAS BORN AROUND EARLY 1900’S..PLEASE HELP ME IF U CAN~~THANK YOU SO MUCH
I know for a fact a lot of the old time residents have been paying taxes for this for over 60 years and promised but never seen a sewer system. Here we go again, promises but only higher taxes for nothing. think about it people 60 plus years of taxes but no sewer. I also hear they want to charge according to property value so the ones with very little value will benefit the most if it happens. If it does happen it should be broken down to a fair price so everyone pays the same. The older folks who are on limited monies wont be able to afford this and will have to move. Taxation to death in a small community is not the answer. Time to vote a new board in.
Will this include the Central Heights area?
yes
Yes.
Where would the Gila County American fit into this list. It astarted in the mid sixties to inform about Evan Mechum and Sam Steiger. I think it lasted several years. it was coodinated by a Tom Anderson. It was a weekly
newspaper for Globe and Miami but was printed in Phx. Cyote Wolfe also wrote a times of yore column about the area. I have clipping from this paper but they are currently lost in the boxes.
I attended meetings for about two years to cover action for the Silver Belt. I know that when Globe City Manager Billingsley was in charge, the City of Globe was NOT interested when the TRSD board met with them. Miami on the other hand wanted, in fact needs us (the Tri-City area), but they were not willing to let us have any representation as to how things were run with their Freeport funded treatment plant. Who wants to be taxed and not represented or have a say in what is being done? Even though there was a county requirement that cesspools must be replaced, many in the TriCity area have not done that, they simply dig a new hole because it has not been enforced. Also, NO ONE has wanted to step up and run for the Tri City board. When was the last time you voted on a Sanitation board member? Years, because no one will run. Even now two positions are up for election but no one is running against the incumbents, so whoever is up will simply remain. One position is still empty after having about three people serve and resign. I understand What Mr. Barcon is saying and I agree that things are not as they should be. BUT, if you don’t participate in the process, you get what you let happen. Where are the younger people? Those of you in your 30’s and 40’s if you intend to live here, you better start defining the rules rather than letting things just happen. Remember when you get hit with these dollars amounts and you are retired, you did not step up.
Christine :
After a short period of time, it’s all out there for everyone who knows you ! EUCLID AVE
benefited from that deal NOT the other way around. You are very intelligent,well spoken and a belong to
a group of gifted people from Globe that are ‘The Ambassadors’ in every sense of the word. Thank You,
personally, for all you do for people in general ,but also for Globe, in particular !! BEST WISHES
Chuck
Arizona plays BYU this Saturday not Arizona state. Ken Giovando played for the Arizona Wildcats.
Thank you Jeff for pointing out our error in listing it as ASU and not U of A. We just made the correction .
How can the community help?
This is a wonderful exhibit to come to our community!
A caption under a picture of Giovando in an Arizona Daily Star article written by Greg Hansen on 9/1 read that he returned both interceptions for touchdowns. His article doesn’t actually stipulate that and neither does yours, which I though should be emphasized.
I would like to add to the above article that the Glock for the raffle was donated by Dominion Firearms, LLC.
The gun is on display in the store and tickets can also be purchased there.
You are raffling a gun to support the police. Good grief.
Love the fish stories and the reality of fishing. Keep us updated on the fishing stories of these two.
What a great article!! Very well written!
Thank you,
Amy Schugar
Would so enjoy touring the mine!
Please send information!
Is panning allowed?
Oh the wonder of actually finding the perfect piece that God made and sent my way! What a blessing!
We don’t have any mine tours in the area at this time.
My great great grandfather Jose Barba was buried there in 1931. Unfortunately, when I went there a few years back I was told that he was buried in the unmarked “Mexican Section” so I was only able to see the approximate location of his grave.
Dr. Wilshire seems way too young to be retiring until one learns about her myriad accomplishments. It sounds like she found her perfect fit in San Carlos. May her future endeavors bring her joy and satisfaction as well.
would like to vote no for sewer hook up in Central Heights have brand new septic and leach field
Very much educational and, informative. The beauty of a well placed stone can speak volumes or even move mountains and to know the actual truth rests so georgeously uniform in a well made handcrafted piece from a mine that holds it’s secrets and defines the eye of the beholder!!! Thanks for the article.😎😎
The meetings I attended were way too confusing and most questions were contradicted by the engineer and the lawyer. Yes it is being forced on the people of this community. I am on the phase 3 project which they will not get to us for several years. By the time they get to us inflation will have hit us soo hard that I’m afraid that we will pay twice as much as they are proposing. This sounds pretty shady to me. I do not agree with what they are proposing and do not intend to go along with this..
Globe is a great, old mining town of tremendous value to Arizona. It’s worth the trip no matter you come
from to see the History of the early West. Part of my family arrived 1879 while the other half came around
1890 and although most have moved, WE still consider Globe, our home ! We have family names that
reflect this vibrant community like….Kellner, Taft, Sawyer, Moreno, Maldonado, EDWARDS. HENDERSON,
BYWATER…….COME SEE US !!
Excellent recommendations. Well done. These are some of the same highlights I recommend to visitors after exploring the area myself.
Thanks, Lika! Do you have any other recommendations for visitors?
Is this in print? I have a friend coming to Globe in April. She lives in Connecticut and has not previously “experienced” Globe.
Hi, Dan. This article is in the most recent print issue of GMT — look at the bottom of the first page. You might also send your friend a link to the online GMT.
You left out Quayo’s On The Trail and Quayo’s El Rey in Miami, Arizona, I grew up in Globe/Miami, Arizona, you left so much info off about the area, the Besh-Ba -Gowah Museum and ruins, Roosevelt lake, Salt river which are only 1/2 hour away same for the Salt river canyon,
Thanks for adding your favorites!
Jenn
I know this article is a bit old but has the course been revitalized. I was there in the mid 2000’s and it was fantastic then. Sad that it was let to be run down so bad. The lay out is very nice. We were visiting from Alberta Canada.
Thanks Kent!
I’m showing my biological father is in a grave there his name was allen ray warner shows he died November 2012 where can I get a computer of death .
Where is the location of all this?
It is downtown Miami. Mostly within 3-4 blocks and easy waking distance between venues.
great story telling! good read 🙂